# With trepidation, Benghazi **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535 "2014-05-02T20:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/621 "2014-05-27T17:02:44Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > I guess that’s why they’ve convened a bipartisan Congressional committee to investigate all things Benghazi. Hopefully, the Obama White House and ol’ Hillary’s State Dept can be convinced to provide unredacted/readable documents without being forced to. Actually, if you REALLY want to know, they convened a bipartisan Congressional committee to investigate all things Benghazi (AGAIN!) because the Republicans are batshit insane and the Democrats want someone on it to try to keep it at least somewhat grounded in reality. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/622 "2014-05-27T17:03:35Z")
Um, **doorhinge** , you \*do \*know how disparate your views of the Benghazi and Bridgegate investigations appear to us, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/623 "2014-05-27T17:07:21Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > the Democrats want someone on it to try to keep it at least somewhat grounded in reality. Maybe it’s to provide the needed contrast for viewers and reporters. Or maybe also because you can’t make a show of walking out unless you’re there. The hearings will be on continuous loop on Fox right up to Election Day, then they’ll adjourn the day after. It isn’t about “getting to the bottom” of something that’s already been scraped bare, it’s only about not having anything positive to campaign on and not much they can spin negative. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/624 "2014-05-27T17:16:20Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > It was a “false flag” operation masterminded by Matt Drudge. Makes as much sense as anything else. Actually that brings up a good point. Surely it’s the Republicans who had the most to gain by the death of an American ambassador right before an election. How do we know that they didn’t leak the security arrangements and itinerary of the ambassador to the militants. I’m sure doorhinge won’t object to all senate and congressional Republicans sending all their emails for the months leading up to the attack to the white house unredacted? If they won’t it’s clear their hiding something. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/625 "2014-05-27T17:27:14Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > How did the CIA analysts know what to write on the first draft? Because the CIA and the WH staff communicate with each other. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/626 "2014-05-27T17:32:40Z")
ol’ Hillary’s State Department It’s a friendly little place, on the main street through town, just past the traffic light. A kindly old lady runs the joint and watches over the till; you pay what you can, when you can. A bunch o’ the boys will be hangin’ out around the cracker barrel and talking 'bout Ukraine and whether we should provide direct support to the rebels in Syria. ---
**Author:** ![rsa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rsa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsa)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/627 "2014-05-27T17:35:52Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I guess that’s why they’ve convened a bipartisan Congressional committee to investigate all things Benghazi. Hopefully, the Obama White House and ol’ Hillary’s State Dept can be convinced to provide unredacted/readable documents without being forced to. Can you honestly say that you showed the same bulldog tenacity regarding redactions during the Bush administartion? What say you to this December 09 2013 article? [**9/11 Link To Saudi Arabia Is Topic Of 28 Redacted Pages In Government Report; Congressmen Push For Release**](http://www.ibtimes.com/911-link-saudi-arabia-topic-28-redacted-pages-government-report-congressmen-push-release-1501202) > [@](#): > > Since terrorists attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, victims’ loved ones, injured survivors, and members of the media have all tried without much success to discover the true nature of the relationship between the 19 hijackers – 15 of them Saudi nationals – and the Saudi Arabian government. Many news organizations reported that some of the terrorists were linked to the Saudi royals and that they even may have received financial support from them as well as from several mysterious, moneyed Saudi men living in San Diego. > > Saudi Arabia has repeatedly denied any connection, and neither President George W. Bush nor President Obama has been forthcoming on this issue. > > But earlier this year, Reps. Walter B. Jones, R-N.C., and Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., were given access to the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (JICI) of 9/11 issued in late 2002, which have been thought to hold some answers about the Saudi connection to the attack. > > “I was absolutely shocked by what I read,” Jones told International Business Times. “What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me. I cannot go into it any more than that. I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly.” > > The public may soon also get to see these secret documents. Last week, Jones and Lynch introduced a resolution that urges President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, which were originally classified by President George W. Bush. It has never been fully explained why the pages were blacked out, but President Bush stated in 2003 that releasing the pages would violate national security. Aren’t you curious about what is in those 28 pages? Are we to take Bush’s claim of National Security seriously? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/628 "2014-05-27T17:36:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > A kindly old lady runs the joint and watches over the till Except on the days when her traumatic brain injury is acting up, then it’s harder for her to be the evil mastermind. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/629 "2014-05-27T17:40:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Um, **doorhinge** , you \*do \*know how disparate your views of the Benghazi and Bridgegate investigations appear to us, don’t you? Um, who is _us_ and why should I be concerned with what _us_ think? It’s obvious that several people are operating under the mistaken impression that I can stop the bipartisan Congressional committee from asking question, demanding answers, and issuing subpoenas. Boy-oh-boy, are they going to be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/630 "2014-05-27T17:42:45Z")
> [@rsa](#): > > …What say you to this December 09 2013 article? Um, that it’s off-topic and that you don’t want to talk about all things Benghazi??? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/631 "2014-05-27T17:49:21Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > You shortened my post and now it’s unreadable. You need to stop doing that or I’m going to demand action. Maybe an investigative committee. We need to figure out when you stopped beating your wife, after all. Did you try scrolling up to the original? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/632 "2014-05-27T17:50:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Um, who is _us_ Essentially everyone else who’s been interacting with you. > [@](#): > > and why should I be concerned with what _us_ think? Are you trying to convince anyone else of anything, or only yourself? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/633 "2014-05-27T17:54:05Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Um, that it’s off-topic and that you don’t want to talk about all things Benghazi??? This is the kind of circumstance where a _tu quoque_ is not off-topic. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/634 "2014-05-27T17:57:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s obvious that several people are operating under the mistaken impression that I can stop the bipartisan Congressional committee from asking question, demanding answers, and issuing subpoenas. Boy-oh-boy, are they going to be disappointed. No one is operating under such an impression. The show will go on. We are under the impression, however, that you find some value in this Congressional circus. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/635 "2014-05-27T18:02:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > This is the kind of circumstance where a _tu quoque_ is not off-topic. Eh tu, **BrainGlutton**? I put the attempted misdirect in the same category as that previous post about Michelle’s 2nd set of teeth. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/636 "2014-05-27T18:04:23Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > No one is operating under such an impression. The show will go on. We are under the impression, however, that you find some value in this Congressional circus. I see we (ewe and eye) agree on something. You will also find something of value. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/637 "2014-05-27T18:12:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Essentially everyone else who’s been interacting with you.Are you trying to convince anyone else of anything, or only yourself? I was attempting to debate a topic in the Great Debates forum. I have no idea if anyone has changed their mind about the topic but it’s obvious that many do not want questions to be asked or readable answers to be given. They’ve resorted to personal attacks, threats, babble about Michelle’s 2nd teeth, and other odd topics. :yawn: Life, and the Congressional committee investigation, goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/638 "2014-05-27T18:19:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I see we (ewe and eye) agree on something. You will also find something of value. Indeed. I think we’ll find further disillusionment with the congressional Republicans and some electoral advantage for the good guys. As George W. Bush would say, “Bring it on.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/639 "2014-05-27T18:21:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > it’s obvious that many do not want questions to be asked or readable answers to be given. They’ve already been asked, in all of the multiple hearings already held. We already know everything relevant about this incident - even those of you with a remarkably narrow focus on it and not on the many similar ones that preceded it. What we deride is the obvious nature of this latest round, which is \*not \*fact-finding. Do \*you \*have any questions left about Christie and Bridgegate, or are you still satisfied with his own lawyers’ quick whitewash job and want the rest of us to be too? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/640 "2014-05-27T18:48:53Z")
Well, to be fair, there still is your question about whether Obama was actually asleep at 3 AM, or up taking a whiz. You still haven’t told us \*why \*that matters to you, only that it does. That is not \*quite \*enough to make us think we should spend taxpayer money, and the time of legislators who claim to be focused on job creation, on finding out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=33)