# With trepidation, Benghazi **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535 "2014-05-02T20:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/881 "2014-06-19T23:20:43Z")
The important question is, when did Port Authority Wildstein know about the video? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/882 "2014-06-19T23:52:08Z")
How can you expect **doorhinge** to remember stuff he said back in the Dark Ages of May 2014? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/883 "2014-06-20T12:48:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (p.s. What’s the H stand for?) Walter. You gotta be fairly old to get that reference. So when is this super duper latest and greatest Benghazi committee going to start meeting? October 2016? And what happens when they get done? Another committee? More questions? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/884 "2014-06-22T16:53:06Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > In yours, a drone was dispatched to a diplomatic mission under attack, and while bullets and grenades were raining down on the personnel inside, someone in authority said “swivel that camera around, see if you can find any discarded protest signs!” drones are in the sky not on the ground. In my view, the drone saw a wide field of view looking down. but lets look at the latest revelation from Edward Klein’s book, [“blood Feud”](http://nypost.com/2014/06/22/clinton-bristled-at-benghazi-deception-book/): “Hillary was stunned when she heard the president talk about the Benghazi attack,” one of her top legal advisers said in an interview. “Obama wanted her to say that the attack had been a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an obscure video on the Internet that demeaned the Prophet Mohammed.” This adviser continued: “Hillary told Obama, ‘Mr. President, that story isn’t credible. Among other things, it ignores the fact that the attack occurred on 9/11.’ But the president was adamant. He said, ‘Hillary, I need you to put out a State Department release as soon as possible.’” It gets better. Hillary calls Bill who says: “That story won’t hold up,” Bill said. “I know,” Hillary said. “I told the president that.” “It’s an impossible story,” Bill said. “I can’t believe the president is claiming it wasn’t terrorism. Then again, maybe I can. It looks like Obama isn’t going to allow anyone to say that terrorism has occurred on his watch.” Hillary’s legal adviser provided further detail: “During their phone call, Bill started playing with various doomsday scenarios, up to and including the idea that Hillary consider resigning as secretary of state over the issue. But both he and Hillary quickly agreed that resigning wasn’t a realistic option. If her resignation hurt Obama’s chances of winning re-election, her fellow Democrats would never forgive her. Hillary was already thinking of running for president in 2016, and her political future, as well as Obama’s, hung in the balance.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/885 "2014-06-22T17:00:35Z")
> [@](#): > > …one of her top legal advisers said in an interview… A pity said person cannot be identified. Darn shame about that, probably in the Witness Protection Program hoping to avoid the Vince Foster treatment. Yes, that must be it… ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/886 "2014-06-22T17:05:04Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > drones are in the sky not on the ground. In my view, the drone saw a wide field of view looking down. but lets look at the latest revelation from Edward Klein’s book, [“blood Feud”](http://nypost.com/2014/06/22/clinton-bristled-at-benghazi-deception-book/): > > “Hillary was stunned when she heard the president talk about the Benghazi attack,” one of her top legal advisers said in an interview. “Obama wanted her to say that the attack had been a spontaneous demonstration triggered by an obscure video on the Internet that demeaned the Prophet Mohammed.” > > This adviser continued: “Hillary told Obama, ‘Mr. President, that story isn’t credible. Among other things, it ignores the fact that the attack occurred on 9/11.’ But the president was adamant. He said, ‘Hillary, I need you to put out a State Department release as soon as possible.’” > > It gets better. Hillary calls Bill who says: > > “That story won’t hold up,” Bill said. > > “I know,” Hillary said. “I told the president that.” > > “It’s an impossible story,” Bill said. “I can’t believe the president is claiming it wasn’t terrorism. Then again, maybe I can. It looks like Obama isn’t going to allow anyone to say that terrorism has occurred on his watch.” > > Hillary’s legal adviser provided further detail: > > “During their phone call, Bill started playing with various doomsday scenarios, up to and including the idea that Hillary consider resigning as secretary of state over the issue. But both he and Hillary quickly agreed that resigning wasn’t a realistic option. If her resignation hurt Obama’s chances of winning re-election, her fellow Democrats would never forgive her. Hillary was already thinking of running for president in 2016, and her political future, as well as Obama’s, hung in the balance.” How gullible do you have to be to take that at face value? The absolute nonsense you’ll accept… from buzzing combatants with F-16s, to dropping motorcycle commandos in a hostile city at night, with no intelligence, to smear jobs from whackos. > [@Wiki about Klein](#): > > Klein has been criticized for his biography of Hillary Clinton, titled, The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She’ll Go to Become President, which was released on June 21, 2005. Politico criticized the book for “serious factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes and overall themes [that] don’t gibe with any other serious accounts of Clinton’s life.”[6] The book was attacked not only by liberals, but by conservatives as well. John Podhoretz wrote in the New York Post, “Thirty pages into it, I wanted to take a shower. Sixty pages into it, I wanted to be decontaminated. And 200 pages into it, I wanted someone to drive stakes through my eyes so I wouldn’t have to suffer through another word.”[7] In National Review James Geraghty wrote, “Folks, there are plenty of arguments against Hillary Clinton, her policies, her views, her proposals, and her philosophies. This stuff ain’t it. Nobody on the right, left, or center ought to stoop to this level.”[8] I like the unnamed adviser knows all three sides of this story. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/887 "2014-06-22T17:13:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A pity said person cannot be identified. Darn shame about that, probably in the Witness Protection Program hoping to avoid the Vince Foster treatment. Yes, that must be it… There were multiple people interviewed giving the same story. Aren’t you suppose to be criticizing the author of the book. You’re slipping. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein brought Nixon don with anonymous sources. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/888 "2014-06-22T17:20:17Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There were multiple people interviewed giving the same story. Aren’t you suppose to be criticizing the author of the book. You’re slipping. No, you’re swallowing a polemic as if it were news. The author is a hatchetjob hack who has lied before. > [@](#): > > Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein brought Nixon don with anonymous sources. The difference between W & B and Klein, is the difference between a neurosurgeon at the Mayo Clinic and a third-world faith healer operating out of a hut near a sewage treatment plant. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/889 "2014-06-22T17:31:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There were multiple people interviewed giving the same story. Aren’t you suppose to be criticizing the author of the book. You’re slipping. > > Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein brought Nixon don with anonymous sources. So you trust this author’s “sources” when he also wrote that Hillary is a lesbian and her daughter is the result of a rape? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/890 "2014-06-22T17:40:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > How gullible do you have to be to take that at face value? The absolute nonsense you’ll accept… from buzzing combatants with F-16s, to dropping motorcycle commandos in a hostile city at night, with no intelligence, to smear jobs from whackos. Still bothered by the fact that I [cited special ops teams have motorcycles](http://www.americanspecialops.com/vehicles/motorcycles/) in their inventories. Want to laugh at them for using [rubber boats](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_air_support#mediaviewer/File:US_soldiers_on_the_tigris_river.jpg) too? Do you think they train for insertions into friendly cities in the day time? Because we call that a vacation where I come from and I doubt they get paid to train for that. Note hat it says under the picture I linked; A pair of AFSOC Combat Controllers (CCTs) pictured riding Kawasaki KLR250-D8 motorcycles. “A pair of AFSOC Combat Controllers (CCTs) pictured riding Kawasaki KLR250-D8 motorcycles. CCT motorcycles can be airdropped from aircraft on special pallets under parachutes.” > [@Lobohan](#): > > Note the caption under the picture above: A pair of AFSOC Combat Controllers (CCTs) pictured riding Kawasaki KLR250-D8 motorcycles. CCT motorcycles can be airdropped from aircraft on special pallets under parachutes. > > I like the unnamed adviser knows all three sides of this story. Bob Woodward liked the unnamed advisers too. Made his career. Klien has called Mr Transparency a liar and your response is Nuh Uh yet you no evidence of protest took place. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/891 "2014-06-22T17:50:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > So you trust this author’s “sources” when he also wrote that Hillary is a lesbian and her daughter is the result of a rape? I dunno, did you believe Hillary when she said her Husband’s affair was a right wing conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/892 "2014-06-22T17:58:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Still bothered by the fact that I [cited special ops teams have motorcycles](http://www.americanspecialops.com/vehicles/motorcycles/) in their inventories. Want to laugh at them for using [rubber boats](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_air_support#mediaviewer/File:US_soldiers_on_the_tigris_river.jpg) too? Do you think they train for insertions into friendly cities in the day time? Because we call that a vacation where I come from and I doubt they get paid to train for that. Note hat it says under the picture I linked; A pair of AFSOC Combat Controllers (CCTs) pictured riding Kawasaki KLR250-D8 motorcycles. “A pair of AFSOC Combat Controllers (CCTs) pictured riding Kawasaki KLR250-D8 motorcycles. CCT motorcycles can be airdropped from aircraft on special pallets under parachutes.” Yes, they can. No one is saying that it’s impossible. We’re saying it’s fucking stupid and betrays a significant lack of understanding on your part. Dropping commandos with motorcycles into a hostile city where they’ve done no prep, is asinine. And you fought for the concept. Which suggests that you weren’t really critically addressing this issue. And that appears to still be the case, you’re quoting an outright liar who writes smear-jobs. > [@](#): > > Bob Woodward liked the unnamed advisers too. Made his career. > > Klien has called Mr Transparency a liar and your response is Nuh Uh yet you no evidence of protest took place. I’m not sure that’s an actual sentence, so I’ll just say, Klein is a dirtbag liar. And using him as a cite is a little weird. The fact that you have to get a dig in about “Mr. Transparency” shows that you’re not really focusing on the fact that you posted a shitty cite. Learn from your mistakes, be more critical next time. Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/893 "2014-06-22T18:01:20Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I dunno, did you believe Hillary when she said her Husband’s affair was a right wing conspiracy? Do you actually think that was an intelligent rebuttal? Really? Flailing around with punches isn’t a debate. Think about your position, and if you can’t support it, admit it. Don’t just ignore that you can’t support it and throw a punch. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/894 "2014-06-22T18:02:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I dunno, did you believe Hillary when she said her Husband’s affair was a right wing conspiracy? One question has nothing to do with the other. Do you believe an author who says that Hillary is a lesbian, that Bill told his friends that he was going to rape Hillary some particular night (which resulted in their child), on the basis that he claims two anonymous sources? If not, why do you believe his claim for a anonymous sources for the story you quoted? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/895 "2014-06-22T18:06:16Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Dropping commandos with motorcycles into a hostile city where they’ve done no prep, is asinine. they had a drone flying in real time to map out hostile forces. That’s more prep work than any assault in WW-II ever had to work with. But by all means start a thread on what you know given your posts on how hard it was to launch an airplane. > [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m not sure that’s an actual sentence, so I’ll just say, Klein is a dirtbag liar. all you have to do is prove it. > [@Lobohan](#): > > The fact that you have to get a dig in about “Mr. Transparency” shows that you’re not really focusing on the fact that you posted a shitty cite. Obama ran a campaign touting transparency. The Benghazi investigation was the exact opposite of transparency. It is a red flag that he’s hiding something. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/896 "2014-06-22T18:08:01Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > One question has nothing to do with the other. Do you believe an author who says that Hillary is a lesbian, that Bill told his friends that he was going to rape Hillary some particular night (which resulted in their child), on the basis that he claims two anonymous sources? > > If not, why do you believe his claim for a anonymous sources for the story you quoted? Do you believe Hilary lied about the right wing conspiracy and the protests in Benghazi or not? Hint, one of them was a high powered political figure who may run for office again. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/897 "2014-06-22T18:11:10Z")
I don’t believe she lied about either one, actually, but I’m a dirty fucking hippie who doesn’t trust word one that comes out of a right-wing mouth, pen, keyboard or smartphone. The right wing has been so divorced from anything within six degrees of reality for so long (and it started with reactions and witch hunts on the Clintons) that nothing that’s held as “truth” in the right-wing group mind should be considered any such thing. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/898 "2014-06-22T18:16:50Z")
I see you’re so willing to swallow the patent tripe of a deranged liar that you can’t even give a straight answer. Why are you implicitly defending the veracity of a lunatic by trying to change the topic each time I ask you a question? Is there any discredited individual that you would not rush to believe if they printed something about Benghazi? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/899 "2014-06-22T18:17:48Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I don’t believe she lied about either one, actually, but I’m a dirty fucking hippie who doesn’t trust word one that comes out of a right-wing mouth, pen, keyboard or smartphone. The right wing has been so divorced from anything within six degrees of reality for so long (and it started with reactions and witch hunts on the Clintons) that nothing that’s held as “truth” in the right-wing group mind should be considered any such thing. Period. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/900 "2014-06-22T18:19:23Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I see you’re so willing to swallow the patent tripe of a deranged liar that you can’t even give a straight answer. Why are you implicitly defending the veracity of a lunatic by trying to change the topic each time I ask you a question? Is there any discredited individual that you would not rush to believe if they printed something about Benghazi? Prove he’s wrong. It’s already been shown the protest story was a deliberate lie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=46)