# With trepidation, Benghazi **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535 "2014-05-02T20:30:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/921 "2014-06-23T17:58:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Walter. > You gotta be fairly old to get that reference. > So when is this super duper latest and greatest Benghazi committee going to start meeting? October 2016? And what happens when they get done? Another committee? More questions? How old is “fairly old”? I feel a lot older than I am and there’s nothing fair about it. 😃 I predict there will be (at least) three Benghazi investigations. The trial of Ahmed Abu Khattala, the Select Committee, and the Susan “I should sleep late on Sunday morning” Rice’s official Quija Board exonerations of all Sec of State things that Hillary couldn’t possibly have been involved with just because she was Sec of State. Or A Tuesday. I don’t know which Tuesday but I’ll go with a Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/922 "2014-06-23T18:03:02Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > Doesn’t count. They didn’t parachute in on motorcycles. Wouldn’t that scare the motorcycle? No, wait, wrong joke/punch line. That would scare a blind person’s dog. Never mind. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/923 "2014-07-12T03:58:12Z")
Anyone want to talk about [the latest testimony released to the public? > [@](#): > > Two of the four U.S. deaths in Benghazi might have been prevented, military leaders say, if commanders had known more about the intensity of the sporadic gunfire directed at the CIA facility where Americans had taken refuge and had pressed to get a rescue team there faster. > > Senior military leaders have told Congress in closed-door testimony that after the first attack on the main U.S. diplomatic compound on Sept. 11, 2012, they thought the fighting had subsided and the Americans who had fled to the CIA base about a mile away were safe. In fact, they were facing intermittent small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades around midnight and had returned fire. Then the attackers dispersed. > > Hours later, at first light, an 11-minute mortar and rocket-propelled grenade attack slammed into the CIA annex, killing security contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. > > In hindsight, retired Gen. Carter Ham, then head of the U.S. military command in Africa, said he would have pressed Libyan contacts in the defense ministry and other officials to help speed up the evacuation of Americans from Benghazi. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_BENGHAZI\_FOG\_OF\_WAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-07-11-15-57-45](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BENGHAZI_FOG_OF_WAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-07-11-15-57-45)) Isn’t that what this whole thing is about, tho: hindsight? It seems like a bunch of angry Monday morning quarterbacks howling incoherently and inchoately (and incessantly). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/924 "2014-08-04T16:55:36Z")
[Not good news](http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/House-panel-No-administration-wrongdoing-in-5663509.php) for the All Things Benghazi hearings: > [@](#): > > The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi … > > – Intelligence agencies were “warned about an increased threat environment, but did not have specific tactical warning of an attack before it happened.” > > – “A mixed group of individuals, including those associated with al Qaeda, (Moammar) Khadafy loyalists and other Libyan militias, participated in the attack.” > > – “There was no ‘stand-down order’ given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind.” > > – The administration’s process for developing “talking points” was “flawed, but the talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis.” Anybody think this will stop them? Yeah, I didn’t think so either. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/925 "2014-08-04T17:52:44Z")
Its obvious that “They” have gotten to the committee members. What we really need is another committee. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/926 "2014-11-21T23:35:01Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > **For those who do believe that there was an administration cover-up surrounding the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, what piece(s) of information and/or evidence could theoretically change your mind, if such information/evidence were to surface?** [Republicans find no wrongdoing by Obama administration](http://news.yahoo.com/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories-213031463--politics.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) — A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/927 "2014-11-22T01:18:42Z")
Who is Ben Ghazi? Didn’t he work with John Cassavetes a lot? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/928 "2014-11-22T01:25:57Z")
So, Magiver, how’s this sit with you? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/929 "2014-11-22T01:46:52Z")
Shit! Just when I was about to sell my prototype parasail mopeds to the Pentagon! Undercut the whole market. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/930 "2014-11-22T02:03:52Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Shit! Just when I was about to sell my prototype parasail mopeds to the Pentagon! Undercut the whole market. Sorry, too late, they’ve been in service since the early '80s. As this documentary video shows: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLwe7UqUX7k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLwe7UqUX7k) ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/931 "2014-11-22T02:06:31Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > So, Magiver, how’s this sit with you? I bet it’s like a bunch of fuel starved, unarmed F16s buzzing his heart. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/932 "2014-11-22T03:00:37Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > I bet it’s like a bunch of fuel starved, unarmed F16s buzzing his heart. [Scene: Exterior shot of the White House. Cut to fast moving War Room.] **General McToughnuts:** We need to save those folk. **Floridly Homosexual Liberal:** We should just see if it’ll blow over. Hah! **GMT:** No, here’s what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna divert unarmed F16s and buzz them over the battlefield. They’ll melt like butter. **FHL:** You mean over the protest. **GMT:** (Ignoring him) Time on target, Liberal? \*\*FHL:\*\*Five minutes, because Jet Planes, sir. **GMT:** [Steeples fingers] We’ll save you, boys. **FHL:** But that’s past the red line, the jets won’t be able to make it back! And there’s no friendly LZs in range!!11 JUST LET THEM DIE!!1 **GMT:** They’re gonna ditch in the desert, we don’t need them to get back. [Scene Cuts, picks up with an exterior shot of a gleaming jet flying over the Libyan desert. The camera pans around and under the jet and we see a motorcycle attached to a hardpoint under each wing] ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/933 "2014-11-22T03:27:01Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Republicans find no wrongdoing by Obama administration](http://news.yahoo.com/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories-213031463--politics.html) Well, time to start another investigation then! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/934 "2014-11-22T03:52:30Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Well, time to start another investigation then! Already in progress. Representative Gowdy’s Flying Super Select Clown Car Circus is on deck and ready. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/935 "2014-11-22T04:14:35Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Republicans find no wrongdoing by Obama administration](http://news.yahoo.com/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories-213031463--politics.html) And they’re so proud of their diligent work that they released the news at 6:00 p.m. on a Friday so we’d have all weekend to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/936 "2014-11-22T04:30:28Z")
Ben = Vince Ghazi = Foster ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/937 "2014-11-22T04:32:22Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Sorry, too late, they’ve been in service since the early '80s. As this documentary video shows: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLwe7UqUX7k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLwe7UqUX7k) Holy crap! I thought I’d seen every bad 80s B movie, but I guess I was wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/938 "2014-11-22T04:41:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And they’re so proud of their diligent work that they released the news at 6:00 p.m. on a Friday so we’d have all weekend to talk about it. I guarantee they will still be screaming about “Benghazi!!!” right up until election night 2016 if Hillary is the nominee. Or at least the hardcore base who’ve been fed that propaganda and convinced they’re the majority. The smart Republicans like Karl Rove etc. are doing everything they can to stuff Frankenstein’s Monster back in his box. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/939 "2014-11-22T09:23:30Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Well, time to start another investigation then! Sadly, Issa was replaced as committee chairman. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535/940 "2014-11-22T15:04:42Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Well, time to start another investigation then! No worries! The article says this was the seventh investigation and an eighth is scheduled for May! Phew! They’ll get to the bottom of this right up until November 8, 2016! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/with-trepidation-benghazi/687535.md?page=48)