# Without the resurgent Russians tearing through Europe, no D-Day? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 6, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/without-the-resurgent-russians-tearing-through-europe-no-d-day/815549 "2018-06-06T15:38:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/without-the-resurgent-russians-tearing-through-europe-no-d-day/815549/61 "2018-06-09T02:21:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Well you should step out because you are wrong. > > The context was whether there was more to the decision to drop the bomb, including consideration of the Soviets. There was and I showed there was. > > It does not matter if that first cite was a revisionist because the point about Byrnes stands no matter who said it. You are trying to discredit the evidence because the initial cite was someone you don’t like. I gave you a second cite and you dismiss it because of the first cite. > > And in the end Truman made the decision. It does not matter if there were a million years of decision makers before Truman. In the end it was Truman who said yes or no to dropping the a-bomb. Not to mention I also showed Byrnes was close to the prior decision makers and in fact knew about the Manhattan Project even before Truman did (which says something about how well plugged in he was). It is likely he was part of those earlier discussions. The reason it’s pointless to engage with you is that I wrote out a detailed post explaining just a few of the points such as that the guy is clearly wrong about the willingness to surrender. It impeaches his argument. The records are there. Well before Truman became president, well before there was a need to demonstrate anything to the Soviets, the committee and individuals were selecting which cities to bomb with the express aim to end the war. I addressed your concerns. You didn’t bother addressing mine. It’s simply pointless to engage in a debate when one side is simply shouting the same thing over and over again. Good day. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/without-the-resurgent-russians-tearing-through-europe-no-d-day/815549/62 "2018-06-09T03:59:21Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > The reason it’s pointless to engage with you is that I wrote out a detailed post explaining just a few of the points such as that the guy is clearly wrong about the willingness to surrender. It impeaches his argument. > > The records are there. Well before Truman became president, well before there was a need to demonstrate anything to the Soviets, the committee and individuals were selecting which cities to bomb with the express aim to end the war. > > I addressed your concerns. You didn’t bother addressing mine. > > It’s simply pointless to engage in a debate when one side is simply shouting the same thing over and over again. > > Good day. I did not address your concerns because they are not relevant to what I was saying. The context is a post I made suggesting there was consideration of the Soviets entering the conflict in the Pacific when deciding to drop the a-bomb. You and another said nope, just end the war. That is all. I gave you a cite that showed Byrnes was indeed thinking about this. You proceed to say the whole article is shit because the writer is a revisionist. I posted another cite showing that, indeed, Byrnes was intimately involved in all of this and AGAIN you are on about the first article and the guy is a revisionist and I am not addressing your arguments. Here you are again completely unable to separate the narrow question at issue because you think you have an ace with the author of an article yet no disagreement that he he got this point wrong. And again…the decision to drop the bomb was Truman’s. Period. Full stop. All the decisions made a thousand years previously have no bearing. Truman did not know the bomb existed till he became president. After that he had to decide whether to drop it. Who was one of his closest advisors? Guess… Shouting the same thing over and over again? Pot meet kettle. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/without-the-resurgent-russians-tearing-through-europe-no-d-day/815549/63 "2018-06-09T04:27:57Z")
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