# Witness haters--are you happy now? :( **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221 "2013-10-02T23:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/401 "2013-10-21T01:52:40Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Well, thanks, Ivory; I’m not completey clueless now… well, not completely 😃 So - do you condone the behavior of Uber and his puppet? you know, the one I was ‘rude’ to? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/402 "2013-10-21T05:18:13Z")
Well, I’m not sure I understand, but never mind–I’m not going to start this all over again! ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/403 "2013-10-21T07:38:10Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Absolutely would’ve. I blame… yeah, lack of coffee works. 😃 That’s OK. When it comes to mangled metaphors, I firmly believe in not throwing black pots at people who live in glass houses. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/404 "2013-10-21T12:50:56Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Well, I’m not sure I understand, but never mind–I’m not going to start this all over again! Thats ok - that is exactly the answer I expected from you - ---
**Author:** ![knel3030](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecae2f/32.png) [@knel3030](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knel3030)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/405 "2013-10-21T14:04:33Z")
They are motivated in their search at least. They lost some guy named Jesus somewhere and are going everywhere asking people if they’ve found him. They should really hire themselves out as lost pet locator or something useful. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/406 "2013-10-21T15:34:53Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Well, I’m not sure I understand, but never mind–I’m not going to start this all over again! Let me help. It would seem that **Uber** went and created a separate account ( **Brikabraka** ), or a “sock” account if you will. This is expressly against the rules, as it is a completely dishonest way of interacting with everyone here, and is designed to give the impression that more people are supporting your point of view. Given this, what then, is your opinion of this poster/this technique, considering his defense of you? Do you condone this behavior, as long as it is defense of the “right” thing to do? It it moral to break the rules, as long as the long term goal (defense of JW) is the ultimate beneficiary? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/407 "2013-10-21T15:45:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It it moral to break the rules, It it moral to argue with a retard who can’t talk or write write? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/408 "2013-10-21T16:17:06Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > It it moral to argue with a retard who can’t talk or write write? Ah, Poe’s law. How I love you so. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/409 "2013-10-21T16:27:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Let me help. It would seem that **Uber** went and created a separate account ( **Brikabraka** ), or a “sock” account if you will. > > This is expressly against the rules, as it is a completely dishonest way of interacting with everyone here, and is designed to give the impression that more people are supporting your point of view. > > Given this, what then, is your opinion of this poster/this technique, considering his defense of you? Do you condone this behavior, as long as it is defense of the “right” thing to do? It it moral to break the rules, as long as the long term goal (defense of JW) is the ultimate beneficiary? Addendum - outside of the ‘defense of dougie\_monty and JW’ aspect - how about the specific statements made by ‘brickabracka’ in other threads (atleast one was reffered to in this thread that you ignored) - is this the expected behaviour and attitude of a JW ? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/410 "2013-10-22T06:29:28Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Let me help. It would seem that **Uber** went and created a separate account ( **Brikabraka** ), or a “sock” account if you will. > > This is expressly against the rules, as it is a completely dishonest way of interacting with everyone here, and is designed to give the impression that more people are supporting your point of view. > > Given this, what then, is your opinion of this poster/this technique, considering his defense of you? Do you condone this behavior, as long as it is defense of the “right” thing to do? It it moral to break the rules, as long as the long term goal (defense of JW) is the ultimate beneficiary? Oh, I see what you mean. Well, I sure don’t condone any kind of subterfuge. And believe it or not, I thank you who _oppose_ me in this thread–I had been confronted with the term “sock-puppet” elsewhere on the Internet, but did not know what it meant. You could not have provided a more precise definition. 🙂 I do not believe that the end justifies the means. :mad: I had presented my side of the argument and, obviously, I could not convince anyone–I am going solely by the evidence of the threads in this post. Well, that’s the breaks. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/411 "2013-10-23T20:38:35Z")
For the record, I’m about as happy as I was before. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/412 "2013-11-25T00:18:11Z")
According to an Associated Press item from last Friday’s _Daily Breeze,_ dateline Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a family, including a 2-year-old, was bound and gagged and knifed to death over a $115 dollar debt–something to do wioth dog breeding. The debt was a month overdue. ☹ The people were Jehovah’s Witnesses. I have not posted this item to rant or mourn but to try to improve my objectiveness in choosing subject matter to post (and technique, if that’s the right word). In fact, it seems obvious they were not even killed because of their religion. Still, :(☹ ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/413 "2013-11-25T00:22:38Z")
That last item was supposed to be a new thread, but I’ll leave it up to your judgment as to what to do. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/414 "2013-11-25T00:23:44Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > That last item was supposed to be a new thread, but I’ll leave it up to your judgment as to what to do. A new thread to announce that someone killed a JW? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/415 "2013-11-25T00:32:29Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > According to an Associated Press item from last Friday’s _Daily Breeze,_ dateline Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a family, including a 2-year-old, was bound and gagged and knifed to death over a $115 dollar debt–something to do wioth dog breeding. The debt was a month overdue. ☹ > The people were Jehovah’s Witnesses. > I have not posted this item to rant or mourn but to try to improve my objectiveness in choosing subject matter to post (and technique, if that’s the right word). In fact, it seems obvious they were not even killed because of their religion. > Still, :(☹ Were they murdered **because** they were JWs, or were they just JWs that happened to get murdered? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/416 "2013-11-25T00:43:15Z")
> [@Canadjun](#): > > Were they murdered **because** they were JWs, or were they just JWs that happened to get murdered? The OP acknowledged they weren’t probably killed for their religion. Now why the hell he felt the need to pick this scab for no reason, I haven’t a clue. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/417 "2013-11-25T01:10:22Z")
No, I didn’t, Sitnam. I was shocked about it but I now knew better than to recriminate posters for their earlier attitude about the Witnesses–it got me nowhere. ☹ I could scarcely feel worse about it than I do now. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/418 "2013-11-25T01:12:08Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > According to an Associated Press item from last Friday’s _Daily Breeze,_ dateline Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a family, including a 2-year-old, was bound and gagged and knifed to death over a $115 dollar debt–something to do wioth dog breeding. The debt was a month overdue. ☹ > The people were Jehovah’s Witnesses. > I have not posted this item to rant or mourn but to try to improve my objectiveness in choosing subject matter to post (and technique, if that’s the right word). In fact, it seems obvious they were not even killed because of their religion. > Still, :(☹ I’m sorry some innocent people got murdered, including a very young child. Sadly, around the world innocent people of all kinds are victimized, abused and mistreated. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/419 "2013-11-25T01:51:52Z")
That’s not a “very small child.” That kid is plenty big enough to grab a gun and shoot back, as shown in the Stupid Gun News thread. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/420 "2013-11-25T01:52:31Z")
**dougie\_monty** , I asked the question back earlier in the thread about whether you were OK or not. Your subsequent posts did not address mine. Seeing the thread bumped (again) today, I decided to check out some of your _previous_ threads to see whether there had been anything that would indicate you are a loon of the highest magnitude. I couldn’t find a thing. As an interested reader, I’m left with three options. 1. You have been hiding your nutjobbery very well for many years here. 2. You are unwell, or are taking medication which is mimicking a persecution complex. 3. You are trolling. So, what the fuck is going on? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=22)