# Witness haters--are you happy now? :( **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221 "2013-10-02T23:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/421 "2013-11-25T02:03:30Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > No, I didn’t, Sitnam. I was shocked about it but I now knew better than to recriminate posters for their earlier attitude about the Witnesses–it got me nowhere. ☹ I could scarcely feel worse about it than I do now. You shouldn’t feel a need to recriminate posters because no one in this thread backed the ideas that JW should be murdered. Posters disagreed vehemently about JW beliefs and activities, but you started this thread assuming everyone would jump for joy at their murder. That was offensive. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/422 "2013-11-25T03:15:10Z")
**dougie\_monty** - I’ve written three different responses to your ‘recrimination’ post - others have said it better - I’ll simply offer this advise - Seek Professional Help. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/423 "2013-11-25T07:35:20Z")
> [@simster](#): > > **dougie\_monty** […] > Seek Professional Help. To what end, from your standpoint? I am hard put to come to any conclusion other than that you would prefer than someone posting here did NOT oppose you. If there is some other answer, fine. But I do not care to dwell on the subject matter as reported from Ciudad Juárez and I assume you don’t either. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/424 "2013-11-25T12:44:57Z")
I know a guy whose car door got dinged in a mall parking lot last weekend. He’s episcopalian. I’m seeing dougie’s point here!! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/425 "2013-11-25T14:49:35Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > To what end, from your standpoint? You take unfortunate incidents, the type that happen to all too often, and spin them into a persecution complex a mile-wide. You use that complex to assume the worst about people and feel no obligation to apologize or rethink your positions when faced with evidence to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/426 "2013-11-25T14:51:10Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > To what end, from your standpoint? I am hard put to come to any conclusion other than that you would prefer than someone posting here did NOT oppose you. If there is some other answer, fine. But I do not care to dwell on the subject matter as reported from Ciudad Juárez and I assume you don’t either. Because you appear to be suffering from delusions involving paranoia and persecution, specifically that there is a large group of people on this message board (and perhaps in the world in general) who specifically delight in hearing of the deaths of Jehovah’s Witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/427 "2013-11-25T15:18:21Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > To what end, from your standpoint? I am hard put to come to any conclusion other than that you would prefer than someone posting here did NOT oppose you. If there is some other answer, fine. But I do not care to dwell on the subject matter as reported from Ciudad Juárez and I assume you don’t either. \*\*IvoryTowerDenizen \*\*and **Ferret Herder** have both answered it - and your ‘conclusion’ is incorrect, as most (if not all) of them are, I welcome opposing positions in a discussion - its how we learn. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/428 "2013-11-25T16:19:19Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > To what end, from your standpoint? I am hard put to come to any conclusion other than that you would prefer than someone posting here did NOT oppose you. If there is some other answer, fine. But I do not care to dwell on the subject matter as reported from Ciudad Juárez and I assume you don’t either. When I don’t want to dwell on subject matter, I don’t tend to try to start a thread about. I know, I know. Wacky atheist thinking. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/429 "2013-11-25T17:21:18Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > When I don’t want to dwell on subject matter, I don’t tend to try to start a thread about. > > I know, I know. Wacky atheist thinking. Thats just crazy enough to work! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/430 "2013-11-25T18:08:53Z")
It’s not often you see a trainwreck where the train jumps onto a new set of rails and crashes _again_. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/431 "2013-11-25T18:32:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It’s not often you see a trainwreck where the train jumps onto a new set of rails and crashes _again_. dougie\_monty and the temple of doom? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/432 "2013-11-25T23:13:51Z")
I have begun to feel like the golfer who tried to practice his drives in a tile bathroom and received one too many lumps on the noggin… Well, I’m sorry. It would haver been better had I not brought up either incident. Oh–please spare me the Indiana Jones allusion. I hate Spielberg. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/433 "2013-11-25T23:19:23Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Oh–please spare me the Indiana Jones allusion. I hate Spielberg. :rolleyes: [sub]Lucas.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/434 "2013-11-25T23:43:41Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > [sub]Lucas.[/sub] No, Spielburg. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/435 "2013-11-26T01:44:14Z")
And it was a truly grand allusion! (Unless **Really Not All That Bright** and **simster** had set it up ahead of time as a scripted one-two punch. And even then, it’s still a darn good jape!) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/436 "2013-11-26T01:58:42Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Oh–please spare me the Indiana Jones allusion. I hate Spielberg. :rolleyes: Aha! Now you see the REAL reason people oppose you on this board: you hate Spielberg. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/437 "2013-11-26T02:03:49Z")
Couldn’t have been set up in advance - it took six hours for me to figure out the reference. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/438 "2013-11-26T02:30:58Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > A new thread to announce that someone killed a JW? Really? I’m sure **dougie** will take it the wrong way, but all I have to say about that story is that it would probably have come out the same if they had been atheists, or Catholics, or Baptists, or Muslims, or Jews. They shouldn’t have gotten into debt to murderous assholes. It never goes well. So… uhhh… meh? ---
**Author:** ![Zago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecccb3/32.png) [@Zago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zago)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/439 "2013-11-26T04:30:41Z")
It seems that JW’s need to be persecuted - according to them this is set forth in the Bible, it brings them closer to God although (according to upthread posts) it doesn’t necessarily get them into heaven. So - if persecution is your schtick, and you went to 50 houses in a day - what would be a good day? One where a handful of people listened to you (I’m guessing this is the norm) or one where most everyone embraced you? If everyone embraced you wouldn’t that go against your penchant for persecution? Correct me if 'm wrong but isn’t it a peculiarity of JW’s that they take pride in their persecution? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/440 "2013-11-26T04:32:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, Spielburg. The other guy created him. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=23)