# Witness haters--are you happy now? :( **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221 "2013-10-02T23:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/601 "2013-12-06T09:47:56Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Most of the movies they showed were not geared for kids, and I would go out and sit in the lobby or even leave the building altogether, and look at the clocks in the jewelry store up the street. Are you insane? Clocks are [E](http://www.amazon.com/Clocky-Alarm-Clock-Wheels-Almond/dp/B000PWLTNA) [V](http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/tyrant-alarm-clock-dials-your-contacts-if-you-refuse-to-wake/) [I](http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/snuznluz.shtml) [L](http://www.ramosclock.com/products/nixie-ramos) [!](http://www.perpetualkid.com/puzzle-alarm-clock.aspx) Movies are the least of your worries, except for that one behind you RIGHT NOW! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/602 "2013-12-06T15:24:24Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Golly, I hope you have a good lawyer in case someione decides to sue you over this… > I have a quote from an ancient source, 2nd-Century Christian writer named Tertullian: > “We do not include even animals’ blood in our natural diet. We abstain on that account from things strangled or that die of themselves, that we may not be in any way polluted by blood, even if it is buried in the meat. Finally, when you are testing Chrtistians, you offer them sausages full of blood; you are thoroughly well aware, of course, that among them it is forbidden; but you want to make them transgress.” > And a modern one, from the _Journal of the Florida Medical Association_ of Sept. 19, 1952: > “[Widespread use of blood transfusioins produces] a weird assortment of antibodies, which may prove too be the source of crossmatching difficulties and may even endanger the life of the patient if he is given more blood.” > You may object to the analogy of “eating” blood; but if a doctor told you that you may not drink alcohol, would that mean you could properly have it injected into your bloodstream? :rolleyes: > I happen to know that in recent years surgeons have worked out means of “bloodless surgery” specifically to accommodate Witnesses who will not consent to transfusion. > If you have any published information that has come out in the sixty-one years since the Florida Medical Association article, and countermands it, by all means show it to me. So many little tidbits here - WHo would ‘sue’ trinopus over that comment? everytime you make an idiotic statement like that - well - you’re not helping your case at all. You don’t think the medical knowledge and information has changed in 60 years? You really think the JW are unique in their desire for no blood? there are a couple of other fringe groups as well that think that way - secondly - there are countless other reasons to perfect surgery techniques that are less intrusive… IOW - you’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > You’re walking a steep ledge in a hurricane, Buddy. > Before you pass pompous judgment on my movie tastes, I think there is something you should know: My disdain for movies goes back almost to the start; when I was a kid my parents pretty much _made_ me go to the movies, with my brother and sister, as a regular thing on Saturdays. Most of the movies they showed were not geared for kids, and I would go out and sit in the lobby or even leave the building altogether, and look at the clocks in the jewelry store up the street. When we moved away in December 1959, I stopped going to movies on a regular basis and have gone only irregularly since. I stopped in July 1971 with _The Love Bug_ and resumed in 1982 with _Time Bandits;_ five years later the last movie was _The Believers._ The other movies I saw in that time were _Amadeus, The Thing, Back to the Future_ (the first part only), and _Little Shop of Horrors_ (only because it had music in it and I needed a musical for a college-course assignment. I thoroughly detested the movie.) > > So I don’t ascribe my reaction to any movie to “paranoia” or “insanity,” but rather to the simple fact that I don’t care much for movies in the first place. Occam’s Razor. Not likeing movies is fine - as has been pointed out to you multiple times in the past - the rants you go on show that you are ‘more than a little unstable’, especially given the fact that quite often you haven’t even seen the work in question or enough of it to even understand. You have trouble distinguishing ‘your reality’ from the world around you - this is the sign of an unstable mind. IOW - you’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/603 "2013-12-06T15:38:54Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > 1. Huey Lewis and the News (billed in the opening credits, so I was at least forewarned) played one of their songs at one point. I stayed out in the lobby until it was done. Do you like Huey Lewis & The News? Their early work was a little too ‘new-wave’ for my taste, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own - both commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He’s been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humour. In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is ‘Hip To Be Square’, a song so catchy most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics - but they should! Because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it’s also a personal statement about the band itself! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/604 "2013-12-06T16:22:06Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Golly, I hope you have a good lawyer in case someione decides to sue you over this… You think someone is going to sue him because he thinks your religious leaders are evil? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/605 "2013-12-06T18:05:42Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Are you insane? Clocks are [E](http://www.amazon.com/Clocky-Alarm-Clock-Wheels-Almond/dp/B000PWLTNA) [V](http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/tyrant-alarm-clock-dials-your-contacts-if-you-refuse-to-wake/) [I](http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/snuznluz.shtml) [L](http://www.ramosclock.com/products/nixie-ramos) [!](http://www.perpetualkid.com/puzzle-alarm-clock.aspx) > > Movies are the least of your worries, except for that one behind you RIGHT NOW! Oh wow…you better watch out–the paranoids are gonna get you… 😃 A movie is right behind me? Last time I looked, they didn’t go anywhere… ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/606 "2013-12-06T18:18:53Z")
> [@simster](#): > > So many little tidbits here - WHo would ‘sue’ trinopus over that comment? everytime you make an idiotic statement like that - well - you’re not helping your case at all. > > You don’t think the medical knowledge and information has changed in 60 years? > > You really think the JW are unique in their desire for no blood? there are a couple of other fringe groups as well that think that way - secondly - there are countless other reasons to perfect surgery techniques that are less intrusive… > > IOW - you’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? > > Not likeing movies is fine - as has been pointed out to you multiple times in the past - the rants you go on show that you are ‘more than a little unstable’, especially given the fact that quite often you haven’t even seen the work in question or enough of it to even understand. > > You have trouble distinguishing ‘your reality’ from the world around you - this is the sign of an unstable mind. > IOW - you’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? Are you asking that because you think I forgot the first time you asked it? “You don’t think the medical knowledge…” Isn 't that what **I** asked **you?** I don’t assume something like that. **You** tell \*\*me–\*\*and with documentation! “You really think the JW are unique…” OK, So they aren’t? So what? I’ll accept the largesse… With the exception of _Back to the Future,_ I did watch all the movies I mentioned from start to finish. So I feel justified in contradicting you about my rants that allegedly show me to be “unstable”; you don’t know what you’re talking about. Unstable mind? What are your psychiatric credentials? ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/607 "2013-12-06T18:22:42Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Do you like Huey Lewis & The News? Their early work was a little too ‘new-wave’ for my taste, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own - both commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He’s been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humour. In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is ‘Hip To Be Square’, a song so catchy most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics - but they should! Because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it’s also a personal statement about the band itself! /win ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/608 "2013-12-06T18:28:57Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Are you asking that because you think I forgot the first time you asked it? > > “You don’t think the medical knowledge…” Isn 't that what **I** asked **you?** I don’t assume something like that. **You** tell \*\*me–\*\*and with documentation! > > “You really think the JW are unique…” OK, So they aren’t? So what? I’ll accept the largesse… > With the exception of _Back to the Future,_ I did watch all the movies I mentioned from start to finish. So I feel justified in contradicting you about my rants that allegedly show me to be “unstable”; you don’t know what you’re talking about. > Unstable mind? What are your psychiatric credentials? It doesn’t take credentials to recognize an unstable individual. your rants are my cite. As for the rest - go do your own fucking research - that was talked about a page ago - you said you liked to research - go - do it. Citing a 60 year old report (one sentence of it) does not reseach make. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/609 "2013-12-06T19:21:11Z")
> [@simster](#): > > In this thread - > [Critical issue about “Back to the Future”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14198800#post14198800) I see your Back to the Future, and raise you [Scooby-Doo.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506639) ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/610 "2013-12-06T19:32:36Z")
> [@simster](#): > > It doesn’t take credentials to recognize an unstable individual. > > your rants are my cite. > > As for the rest - go do your own fucking research - that was talked about a page ago - you said you liked to research - go - do it. Citing a 60 year old report (one sentence of it) does not reseach make. _Quote from post yesterday by Fuji:_ […]Another button to push would be great… All right…I can’t blame this on **you,** Simster, but all the same as time passes I wonder more and more about ulterior motives, from petty to gross; usually ‘pressing a button’ causing nothing more than pure disdain on my part. “Your rants are my cite”…I don’t follow you–does that mean any criticism is a manifestation of a mental aberration? Or are movies held in such high esteem by the populace these days that one snarl is to be interpreted as a function of mental illness? I am only too happy to do my own research. 🙂 Thank you, Oscar Wilde. I’ll bet anything, though, that blood and its components haven’t changed critically in sixty-one years. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/611 "2013-12-06T19:39:12Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Do you like Huey Lewis & The News? Their early work was a little too ‘new-wave’ for my taste, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own - both commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He’s been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humour. In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is ‘Hip To Be Square’, a song so catchy most people probably don’t listen to the lyrics - but they should! Because it’s not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it’s also a personal statement about the band itself! I probably never went into any detail about this, but I am not a rock fan. At my age, I probably could have had kids who would go for Huey Lewis and the News (Of course, I never had children.) I went to high school in the Sixties and I didn’t care much for the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, and such; I never went to dances. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/612 "2013-12-06T19:39:53Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I’ll bet anything, though, that blood and its components haven’t changed critically in sixty-one years. 😃 Do you think that maybe (just maybe) our scientific and medical _knowledge_ about blood has changed over 60 years? Because that’s what is being referred to. ETA: I was going to say “you’re really not that dim, are you?”, but then I read some of your early comments, so the point is moot. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/613 "2013-12-06T19:46:28Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I see your Back to the Future, and raise you [Scooby-Doo.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506639) Thanks!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/614 "2013-12-06T19:48:37Z")
Just out of curiosity, dm, do you think anyone reading this thread has a higher opinion of JWs after reading it? ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/615 "2013-12-06T20:17:11Z")
The only movement possible is up. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/616 "2013-12-06T20:26:10Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > _Quote from post yesterday by Fuji:_ > […]Another button to push would be great… > All right…I can’t blame this on **you,** Simster, but all the same as time passes I wonder more and more about ulterior motives, from petty to gross; usually ‘pressing a button’ causing nothing more than pure disdain on my part. > > **“Your rants are my cite”…I don’t follow you–does that mean any criticism is a manifestation of a mental aberration? Or are movies held in such high esteem by the populace these days that one snarl is to be interpreted as a function of mental illness?** > I am only too happy to do my own research. 🙂 Thank you, Oscar Wilde. I’ll bet anything, though, that blood and its components haven’t changed critically in sixty-one years. 😃 You keep looking for ‘ulterior’ motives - what you should be looking at is why you get the responses you do - some people definitely like pushing other peoples buttons - that you have so many to push only adds to the ‘fun’ for them. as for the \ section (bolded by me) - subjective criticism of movies is not a sign of mental illness - your posts and the contents thereof - are uniquely a sign of your mental issues - whether they be of paranoia (looking for ulterior motives that are about pushing your buttons) or rampant stupidity (bloodgate, etc) or simply the fact that you cant put together a coherent argument on any given topic. You near constant threats (i’ll sue you for libel, I should punch you in the nose, throw you off a boat) and denial of facts in response to your positions (I asked if medical knowledge about blood has changed in 60 years,you post that blood hasn’t) are all your doing. I’ve probably already said more than you can comprehend - so I’ll just repost the obvious - even outside of your diagnosed mental health issues - You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/617 "2013-12-06T21:01:51Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > The only movement possible is up. And yet, he keeps posting so anything is possible… ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/618 "2013-12-06T21:37:52Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Golly, I hope you have a good lawyer in case someione decides to sue you over this… We can add legal matters to the long list of things you clearly know nothing about. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/619 "2013-12-06T23:33:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Do you think that maybe (just maybe) our scientific and medical _knowledge_ about blood has changed over 60 years? > > Because that’s what is being referred to. > > ETA: I was going to say “you’re really not that dim, are you?”, but then I read some of your early comments, so the point is moot. :Sigh: This has already been asked and answered–answered in that I assured Simster that I would do research on it–and I shall. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/620 "2013-12-06T23:35:00Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Thanks!!! 😃 I fold. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=32)