# Witness haters--are you happy now? :( **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221 "2013-10-02T23:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/621 "2013-12-06T23:36:44Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Just out of curiosity, dm, do you think anyone reading this thread has a higher opinion of JWs after reading it? Well, it would depend on what people are looking for when they explore The Pit. I don’t think it’s for the dabbler. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/622 "2013-12-06T23:38:04Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > The only movement possible is up. Straight lines…alla time straight lines… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/623 "2013-12-06T23:50:59Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You keep looking for ‘ulterior’ motives - what you should be looking at is why you get the responses you do - some people definitely like pushing other peoples buttons - that you have so many to push only adds to the ‘fun’ for them. > > as for the \ section (bolded by me) - subjective criticism of movies is not a sign of mental illness - your posts and the contents thereof - are uniquely a sign of your mental issues - whether they be of paranoia (looking for ulterior motives that are about pushing your buttons) or rampant stupidity (bloodgate, etc) or simply the fact that you cant put together a coherent argument on any given topic. You near constant threats (i’ll sue you for libel, I should punch you in the nose, throw you off a boat) and denial of facts in response to your positions (I asked if medical knowledge about blood has changed in 60 years,you post that blood hasn’t) are all your doing. > > I’ve probably already said more than you can comprehend - so I’ll just repost the obvious - even outside of your diagnosed mental health issues - > > You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? You know, your idea of “fun” sounds more like “sadism” to me. You seem to have forgotten one of your own points: When I mentioned that surgeons had worked out procedures for bloodless surgery you said they were not doing it just for Witnesses. Fine. Now you do an about-face and call the whole matter “rampantly stupid,” suggesting to me you change the rules so that you are always in the right. If I am wrong on that, please show me where. And you call me stupid or paranoid, then you complain about “constant threats.” You shouldn’t be surprised. If **I** said that to someone on the street **I** would get a punch in the nose! What makes **you** any better? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/624 "2013-12-07T00:06:13Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > You know, your idea of “fun” sounds more like “sadism” to me. where did I say it was ‘my’ idea of fun ??? here again, you go attributing feelings and actions to the wrong individual. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > You seem to have forgotten one of your own points: When I mentioned that surgeons had worked out procedures for bloodless surgery you said they were not doing it just for Witnesses. Fine. Now you do an about-face and call the whole matter “rampantly stupid,” suggesting to me you change the rules so that you are always in the right. If I am wrong on that, please show me where. You’re rampantly stupid with your notions for ‘why’ you avoid blood transfusions and you get your information on them from a source that has been shown to lie and twist the truth - especially in matters related to science and medicine. This has nothing to do with the medical community’s desire to find more and better ways to do procedures that benefit all people - You’re implication that they ONLY did it because of the JW is also blatantly stupid. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > And you call me stupid or paranoid, then you complain about “constant threats.” You shouldn’t be surprised. If **I** said that to someone on the street **I** would get a punch in the nose! What makes **you** any better? Perhaps because I’m not threatening to punch you in the nose? YOU are the one that continues to bring threats (or implications) of physical violence when you get ‘upset’ when you are called on your lunacy. If I were in an environment such as this - being treated as you are - I would simply leave and never return - which strongly suggests that you are only here to get the attention… you certainly aren’t able to keep up a battle of wits or even a strong debate, you simply lack the skillset and prerequisite knowledge. Perhaps because I am not a paranoid lunatic, I’ve never been called one - I ahve been called an asshole, a prick and a number of other things (many people do not like being called out on thier idiotic notions) - not once have I felt the need to ‘punch them in the nose’ - that you continue to feel these needs for violent displays shows your true nature - and is something you should consider working on if you _ever_ want to have a civil debate or conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/625 "2013-12-07T00:53:46Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I happen to know that in recent years surgeons have worked out means of “bloodless surgery” specifically to accommodate Witnesses who will not consent to transfusion. > If you have any published information that has come out in the sixty-one years since the Florida Medical Association article, and countermands it, by all means show it to me. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Unstable mind? What are your psychiatric credentials? And what are your medical credentials? You question our assessment that you are a deluded, possibly psychotic, fool, and yet we are supposed to take your word that a quote from 19-freaking-52 is still (if it ever was) the acme of medical understanding? You _do_ know that we (the non-JWs) have done some pretty nifty things since Truman went back to Independence, like heart transplants, the eradication of smallpox, and cloning, right? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/626 "2013-12-07T01:00:48Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > _Quote from post yesterday by Fuji:_ > […]Another button to push would be great… > All right…I can’t blame this on **you,** Simster, but all the same as time passes I wonder more and more about ulterior motives, from petty to gross; usually ‘pressing a button’ causing nothing more than pure disdain on my part. > > “Your rants are my cite”…I don’t follow you–does that mean any criticism is a manifestation of a mental aberration? Or are movies held in such high esteem by the populace these days that one snarl is to be interpreted as a function of mental illness? > I am only too happy to do my own research. 🙂 Thank you, Oscar Wilde. I’ll bet anything, though, that blood and its components haven’t changed critically in sixty-one years. 😃 Oh, for fuck’s sake - that was _my_ post, not **simster** ’s, that you were apparently attempting to quote, but ended up mangling in your inimtable “style”. And it’s not a matter of holding movies in “high esteem” - it’s a matter of you evidently not understanding matters of context and proportion, like you were Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer 2.0. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/627 "2013-12-07T02:46:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > . . . I ahve been called an asshole, a prick and a number of other things (many people do not like being called out on thier idiotic notions) - not once have I felt the need to ‘punch them in the nose’ . . . No few times, I have felt the passing desire to punch various people in the nose. But just as many times – perhaps more! – I’ve been glad that no one has developed the “Boxing Glove in the Monitor” app. (I hear that Toontown scientists are working on it diligently. Better living through animation!) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/628 "2013-12-07T02:55:35Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > No few times, I have felt the passing desire to punch various people in the nose. But just as many times – perhaps more! – I’ve been glad that no one has developed the “Boxing Glove in the Monitor” app. (I hear that Toontown scientists are working on it diligently. Better living through animation!) I would pay dearly for the ‘smack on the back of the head’ app - ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/629 "2013-12-07T03:16:34Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > And it’s not a matter of holding movies in “high esteem” - it’s a matter of you evidently not understanding matters of context and proportion, like you were Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer 2.0. Hey, be fair. Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer was pretty savvy. Everybody else in the courtroom, on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![gloaming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@gloaming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gloaming)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/630 "2013-12-07T19:37:05Z")
Run ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/631 "2013-12-07T19:52:43Z")
> [@gloaming](#): > > Run Lola? ---
**Author:** ![gloaming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@gloaming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gloaming)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/632 "2013-12-08T23:30:32Z")
Sorry, Tapatalk pocket-posted that one. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/633 "2013-12-09T16:45:28Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > /win Sometimes I post just for my own amusement. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I probably never went into any detail about this, but I am not a rock fan. At my age, I probably could have had kids who would go for Huey Lewis and the News (Of course, I never had children.) I went to high school in the Sixties and I didn’t care much for the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, and such; I never went to dances. See? ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/634 "2013-12-11T11:18:42Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I probably never went into any detail about this, but I am not a rock fan. At my age, I probably could have had kids who would go for Huey Lewis and the News (Of course, I never had children.) I went to high school in the Sixties and I didn’t care much for the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, and such; I never went to dances. Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, _Duke_. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on _Duke_ where Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think _Invisible Touch_ was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to “Land of Confusion”. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. “In Too Deep” is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I’ve heard in rock. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/635 "2013-12-11T13:36:44Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, _Duke_. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on _Duke_ where Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. > I think _Invisible Touch_ was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. > Take the lyrics to “Land of Confusion”. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. “In Too Deep” is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I’ve heard in rock. Touché. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/636 "2013-12-11T14:01:21Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > (Of course, I never had children.) Why “of course”? I’ve never heard anyone use that phrase. I’ve got a number of childless friends, and in a few cases, it’s a medical condition, but in most it’s a choice. But those friends wouldn’t say “of course”. But if you’re shy, or protecting someone’s secret, fell free to skip the question. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/637 "2013-12-11T15:13:36Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Touché. Isn’t that by Duran Duran? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/638 "2013-12-11T15:17:15Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > /win Yup, you beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/639 "2013-12-11T16:26:41Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Unstable mind? What are your psychiatric credentials? You? [QUOTE=dougie\_monty] [If some of the people posting in this thread are as smart as they act, they would consider my personal situation, which has included severe disruptions—including schizophrenia (diagnosed by at least four psychiatrists over a period of more than twenty years).](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16894534&postcount=506) [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/640 "2013-12-11T16:58:18Z")
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