# Witness haters--are you happy now? :( **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221 "2013-10-02T23:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/861 "2014-07-06T14:30:16Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > There seems to have been a great deal of overlooking in this thread lately. Admittedly I missed Lobohan (sp?) where I should have recognized the name, but what I said in my last post was totally ignored by those posting after me. Physician, heal thyself. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/862 "2014-07-06T14:45:42Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > There seems to have been a great deal of overlooking in this thread lately. Admittedly I missed Lobohan (sp?) where I should have recognized the name, but what I said in my last post was totally ignored by those posting after me. I’m sorry - it wasn’t a very cogent point and it was not germane to the topic. What with you talking about individual motivations vs the topic (at the time) was the way a cult operates - Until you can keep up with the conversation, you’ll always find yourself on the wrong end of it. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/863 "2014-07-06T15:10:31Z")
Conversation? I feel more like I am facing Star Chamber proceedings… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/864 "2014-07-06T15:17:15Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Conversation? I feel more like I am facing Star Chamber proceedings… Which is one of your many problems - as has been noted before - its also a sign of cult indoctrination - “everyone is against me/us for my/our beliefs - thats how we know we’re right” - ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/865 "2014-07-06T16:26:02Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Conversation? I feel more like I am facing Star Chamber proceedings… Oh, ffs. You see persecution everywhere because you’ve decided you’re being persecuted, not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/866 "2014-07-06T17:10:10Z")
Don’t put words in my mouth. If I were to seize on any religion, philosophy, etc., with which you are affiliated and start in on you the way you have done to me, you would cry foul for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/867 "2014-07-06T17:17:07Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Don’t put words in my mouth. If I were to seize on any religion, philosophy, etc., with which you are affiliated and start in on you the way you have done to me, you would cry foul for sure. I’m a utilitarian. Give me your best shot. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/868 "2014-07-06T17:28:29Z")
Bang. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/869 "2014-07-06T17:30:20Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Bang. This is the kind of onomatopoeic oppressive bullshit up with which I shall not put, sir. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/870 "2014-07-06T18:02:42Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I’m a utilitarian. Give me your best shot. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Bang. Dougie Monty banged Revenant Threshold. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/871 "2014-07-06T18:10:08Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Conversation? I feel more like I am facing Star Chamber proceedings… Oh halp. People are criticizing me on the INTRAWEBS!!! OH NOOOOS!!! Exaggerate, much? Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/872 "2014-07-06T18:20:32Z")
I have a sign on my door that say “We do not want to convert to your religion. Really. No matter what it is.” Works great. As for JWs, I’ll take the same tack that fundies take with gay people: it’s not who they are, it’s what they do that I dislike. I don’t hate the JW, per se. I hate people knocking on my door when I’m eating dinner/peeing/reading The Straight Dope/folding laundry and watching _Law & Order_ reruns/playing Legos with my son, etc. I don’t like it when they want to sell me something, I don’t like it when it’s the woman downstairs trying to borrow money, and I don’t like it when it’s Jehovah’s minions. I don’t mind when it’s someone with a package, but they are usually just as happy as I am to keep the exchange brief. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/873 "2014-07-06T18:49:31Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > I don’t mind when it’s someone with a package, but they are usually just as happy as I am to keep the exchange brief. This gives me a great idea; totally buff JWs wearing just vests and tear-away pants. It would probably increase the rate they get into people’s houses. “Would you like a copy of the Watchtower, with my number in it?” I was once approached at a bus stop by the most gorgeous female Jehovah’s Witness I’ve ever seen. I’m not going to lie; I thought about it. “I could live without birthday presents…” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/874 "2014-07-06T19:05:45Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Don’t put words in my mouth. If I were to seize on any religion, philosophy, etc., with which you are affiliated and start in on you the way you have done to me, you would cry foul for sure. If you were actually able to cite relevant facts and hold an intelligent conversation, I would be impressed - as it stands, you don’t even know your own religion well enough to defend it. But go for it - I’m an atheist. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/875 "2014-07-06T19:54:32Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > This is the kind of onomatopoeic oppressive bullshit up with which I shall not put, sir. Thank you, Mr. Churchill. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/876 "2014-07-06T20:00:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh halp. People are criticizing me on the INTRAWEBS!!! OH NOOOOS!!! Exaggerate, much? > > Get over it. à la Dwight Stones? or: “The bear went over the mountain” (not in the scatological sense). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/877 "2014-07-06T20:10:38Z")
> [@simster](#): > > […] you don’t even know your own religion well enough to defend it. > > But go for it - I’m an atheist. Absolutely not. I remember one man who said at the door, “I’m an atheist and I don’t want to argue.” I let it go at that and left. … Just what “facts” are you saying I don’t know? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/878 "2014-07-06T20:29:35Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Absolutely not. I remember one man who said at the door, “I’m an atheist and I don’t want to argue.” I let it go at that and left. … Just what “facts” are you saying I don’t know? Re-Read this thread - I pointed out several things you were apparently unaware of - or are you just willfully ignorant? ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/879 "2014-07-06T21:26:14Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Don’t put words in my mouth. If I were to seize on any religion, philosophy, etc., with which you are affiliated and start in on you the way you have done to me, you would cry foul for sure. United Church of Canada by allegiance, atheist/agnostic by belief (I am **not** going to debate whether I am atheist or agnostic; it gives me a headache). I would just laugh myself silly if you tried. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/880 "2014-07-06T22:24:12Z")
That sounds academic to me; I wouldn’t try to guess–I am not clairvoyant, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=45)