# Witness haters--are you happy now? :( **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221 "2013-10-02T23:02:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/901 "2014-07-07T19:40:17Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Do you treat people in person the way you treat people on this board? > > Do you ever go up to perfect strangers and call their mothers dogs? Do you ever demand of perfect strangers if they are happy because a JW got shot at? Do you call them names, then pout when they call you names? Do you attack them then whine you are under attack? > > Because these are all behaviors you have demonstrated in this thread. If you do any of them in person, of course people don’t like you. And if you don’t do them in person, why do you do them here? Think about this for a while: When I mentioned my taste for classical music, one of you posted a link about a Mozart piece with a crude title. What was the reason for that? Practice what you preach. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/902 "2014-07-07T19:42:24Z")
It was, and still remains, a small joke. You took offense at and and took it as a grave personal insult. That’s disproportionate. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/903 "2014-07-07T19:45:56Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Think about this for a while: When I mentioned my taste for classical music, one of you posted a link about a Mozart piece with a crude title. What was the reason for that? Practice what you preach. Look at the OP of this thread. Read the title you gave it. That came before any joke about Mozart. And “one of you”? Did I do it? Why are you telling me to practice what I preach? I practice exactly what I preach and I am not the person claiming to get little respect or admiration. You are. And I’m suggesting it might be because you behave horribly. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/904 "2014-07-07T20:13:11Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I’ve heard of Phil Collins, and Genesis; but I couldn’t identify him to safe my life. As I said, I’m not a rock fan; I chose to listen to “beautiful music” and classical radio stations instead of rock stations. (That may set me off from most people but, well, that’s the breaks.) > [@andros](#): > > Oh, [me too](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch)! > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Think about this for a while: When I mentioned my taste for classical music, one of you posted a link about a Mozart piece with a crude title. What was the reason for that? Practice what you preach. You said you liked “beautiful” music as compared to "rock " - the link was, as much as a joke - to point out the irony that “beautiful” or “classical” music was just as capable of being “crude” as the worst of rock - and you failed to get the joke. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/905 "2014-07-07T20:19:09Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Oh, I wouldn’t say I am _mean_ to anybody. :dubious: > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > _Originally Posted by andros_ > > \<\\> **[Link to _Leck\_mich\_im\_Arsch_ in Wikipedia]** > > Only at this late date have I been able to follow that link to Wikipedia. I guess I should _expect_ this from your ilk. All I can say is: I bet your mother had a loud bark! :mad: > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I said “sock,” not “sick.” Do you have a reading problem? And Guinastasia, if you come out here to Gardena and call me a “dumbass” I’ll show you some anger. Keep fucking that chicken. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/906 "2014-07-07T22:05:01Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You said you liked “beautiful” music as compared to "rock " - the link was, as much as a joke - to point out the irony that “beautiful” or “classical” music was just as capable of being “crude” as the worst of rock - and you failed to get the joke. Is **d\_m** even capable of getting anything other than indignant? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/907 "2014-07-07T22:23:31Z")
Well, if someone told him to get the mail, he could probably do so. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/908 "2014-07-07T22:35:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, if someone told him to get the mail, he could probably do so. More likely he would interpret it as ‘male’ and get all huffy. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/909 "2014-07-07T22:39:52Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > . . . You come across as shrill, petty, mean-spirited, small-minded, quick to anger, fond of disproportionate responses, and demonstrating a total lack of empathy, compassion or humor. . . . But he likes Mozart! ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/910 "2014-07-07T22:43:59Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Now, I admit that I only know you from how you present yourself on this message board so I cannot tell you exactly why you feel you get no respect in the “real world,” but my impression is that you do nothing to earn admiration. > > You come across as shrill, petty, mean-spirited, small-minded, quick to anger, fond of disproportionate responses, and demonstrating a total lack of empathy, compassion or humor. > > Therefore you receive the minimum level of respect we give other persons out of courtesy, but nothing further. **dougie** , I repeat this not to beat you up with it, but to hold it up as a mirror, to see if perhaps it gives you some insight into how you present yourself here via your written words. And I do it as a longtime SDMB member who (rightly or wrongly) is generally perceived here as being even-handed and without any particular ax to grind with you. My hope for you is that you experience all the joy in life that I hope to achieve for myself. And I’ve got high hopes. Take what you feel you can use from that and leave the rest. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/911 "2014-07-07T23:23:41Z")
**dougie** , this will be my last post in this thread. I mentioned a while back that **Ivory Tower** was giving you some great advise but you have not acknowledged that comment and seem to be ignoring her/her advice. Now **QtM** has offered up some sage wisdom, IMO. If your banter here is performance art, so be it. I can appreciate it on that level. So it’s all good. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/912 "2014-07-07T23:58:05Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Practice what you preach. My irony meter, along every other irony meter within a hundred kilometers, just exploded. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/913 "2014-07-08T01:21:12Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You said you liked “beautiful” music as compared to "rock " - the link was, as much as a joke - to point out the irony that “beautiful” or “classical” music was just as capable of being “crude” as the worst of rock - and you failed to get the joke. Yyyyeah. I’ve been avoiding getting into this, in hopes that friend **dougie** would get it clear on his own. And it was six gorram months ago. But yeah, that’s precisely it. So, to be perfectly clear: **dougie\_monty** : The implication that there exists no “beautiful” music other than classical is inherently broken. As a fan of the art form, I understand that music appreciation is inherently subjective; I’m not enamored of 1990s country, for example, nor for boyband pop. But I see very clearly that beautiful music exists in many different forms, and caters to many different tastes. So I took no offense at your statement, because it’s a stupid thing to be offended by. But “all your music sucks and I only listen to the One True Music” struck my as really funny. Now, you may not have intended to make that implication. But it sure seemed that way. So I decided to twit you a little over what appeared to be a silly musical prejudice, with a silly link to a silly song by a world-class rock and roll devil. That’s all. It’s a shame you took that as so great a personal attack you felt the need to resurrect this trainwreck in order to call my mom a bitch. Obviously, I struck a nerve with my silly joke without intending to. And yanno what? I’m sorry that I did. I apologize unreservedly. -a- ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/914 "2014-07-08T02:02:32Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > **dougie** , this will be my last post in this thread. I mentioned a while back that **Ivory Tower** was giving you some great advise but you have not acknowledged that comment and seem to be ignoring her/her advice. Now **QtM** has offered up some sage wisdom, IMO. > > If your banter here is performance art, so be it. I can appreciate it on that level. So it’s all good. 😉 You’re a good-un Kayaker. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/915 "2014-07-08T14:11:17Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > It was, and still remains, a small joke. You took offense at and and took it as a grave personal insult. That’s disproportionate. You probably could not have contemplated that this “joke” was apparently of a humorous nature I could not perceive, and at any rate unthinkable for me to tell someone else. That is why I bridled and used the Joe Friday quote. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/916 "2014-07-08T14:17:05Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > You probably could not have contemplated that this “joke” was apparently of a humorous nature I could not perceive, and at any rate unthinkable for me to tell someone else. That is why I bridled and used the Joe Friday quote. … and you’re sorry for calling his mom a bitch, right? … right? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/917 "2014-07-08T14:19:59Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > You probably could not have contemplated that this “joke” was apparently of a humorous nature I could not perceive, and at any rate unthinkable for me to tell someone else. That is why I bridled and used the Joe Friday quote. And when explained to you, offered no apology or new insight. It’s no one post, comment or reply. The collection of your interactions is just not that nice. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/918 "2014-07-08T14:22:12Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > And when explained to you, offered no apology or new insight. > > It’s no one post, comment or reply. The collection of your interactions is just not that nice. Exactly. Note how it is _your_ fault for not realizing that he couldn’t identify that you were just joking. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/919 "2014-07-08T16:00:40Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > You probably could not have contemplated that this “joke” was apparently of a humorous nature I could not perceive, and at any rate unthinkable for me to tell someone else. That is why I bridled and used the Joe Friday quote. That somehow gives me a new appreciation for Jack Webb’s artistry in delivering a line. Anybody else who says that gets: _😕 wtf? Did he just call that guy’s mother a bitch? Who DOES that?😕:mad:_ But when it’s Jack Webb, everybody’s all: _Ooohh, Joe Friday, you rascal, you! BUUURRRRRNNNN! :D:D:D_ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221/920 "2014-07-08T16:27:47Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > But when it’s Jack Webb, everybody’s all: _Ooohh, Joe Friday, you rascal, you! BUUURRRRRNNNN! :D:D:D_ And the musical sting just completely [sells it](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_T1MgVhlKE). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/witness-haters-are-you-happy-now/670221.md?page=47)