# Wizard of Oz (1939) Q: Brown (stain?) on Lollipop Guild shirt **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 23, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014 "2014-12-23T15:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/21 "2014-12-24T22:19:49Z")
For a Super bowl ad the guys from FEDEX recreated the costumes and that brown shape was noticed and used. Is still not clear what that logo is, I suppose it will turn to be a very stylized silhouette of a fist holding a lollipop (seen from the edge). ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/22 "2014-12-24T23:07:32Z")
I’m wondering if it’s meant to be a symbol of office. The President of the Guild or some such. The other two who are dressed alike are lesser members. Altho it’s the middle one who hands Dorothy the lollipop. In medieval times, there were a lot of laws about what guild members could/had to wear. (And the Munchkin village approximates a medieval story tale village.) A quick Googling doesn’t turn up anything about an emblem. In any case, I doubt a 1930s costume designer would try to be super authentic. I.e., somebody thought it up to make one of them look different. (But the dancers in the Lullaby League seem to be all dressed the same.) But what is it, right? Maybe the Lollipop Guild is more of a general confectioner’s guild. The blob is a brush used for chocolate or caramel candies or some such. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/23 "2014-12-24T23:17:42Z")
Their clothes are raggedy at the ends and they have a sweet tooth. I wondered if it was a chocolate ice cream stain. Emphasizes the unkempt wardrobe. Not that I’VE ever had such a stain. ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/24 "2014-12-25T15:15:34Z")
Isn’t it his pipe that he has hanging out of his pocket? Curved end with the mouthpiece part hooked over the top of the pocket, and the bowl hanging out in front? Like the way people sometimes hook their glasses into their pocket? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/25 "2014-12-25T17:35:20Z")
I don’t think it’s a pipe, but it’s unclear to me if it actually ends at the bottom, right or if it extends into a pocket. It could be a flat representation of what is supposed to be a 3-D object (like a pipe or something else), but that would not be discernible as 2-D in the film. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/26 "2014-12-25T18:23:30Z")
I’m sure that it’s intentional and its a patch meant to be a logo of some kind. I wonder if real professional guilds had logos on their ceremonial jackets. This one could be a tool used in making confections. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/27 "2014-12-25T18:31:32Z")
[Here](http://fionaleahy.com/a-weekend-of-period-sugarwork-and-confectionery-oh-my/) is a website with some antique confectioners tools. None of them fit exactly but it could be something like that. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/28 "2014-12-25T18:49:10Z")
Sorry for the multi-posts but I am Jewish and have nothing better to do today. [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild#mediaviewer/File:Zz_Glaser_P1010007a_retouched.jpg) is a traditional logo for a Glazier’s Guild which shows the tools of the trade. The long skinny part is probably a handle and then the flat part might be an iron used used in the lollipop making process. This makes the blob of sugar into a flat lollipop. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/29 "2014-12-25T20:54:24Z")
Glazier = glass installer (including stain glass). Glazer = someone who applies a glaze (either cakes, pottery, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/30 "2014-12-25T21:30:21Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Glazier = glass installer (including stain glass). > > Glazer = someone who applies a glaze (either cakes, pottery, etc.) I’m aware of that. My first link was meant to be an example of a random guild’s logo. The similarity of the words is a coincidence. I don’t think that there is a real guild for people who apply icing. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/31 "2014-12-25T22:35:29Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Maybe the Lollipop Guild is more of a general confectioner’s guild. The blob is a brush used for chocolate or caramel candies or some such. I suspect the Lollipop Guild has as much to do with making confections as the masonic lodge has to do with constructing brick buildings. In other words, it’s just the name of a local fraternal order. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/32 "2014-12-25T23:47:20Z")
Were it an emblem of the order, or of rank, my \*guess \*would be that it would be on his left side, not his right. Then again, things might be different in Oz. For that matter, if it were supposed to look like he had something in a pocket, that pocket would also be on his left side, normally. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2014, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/33 "2014-12-26T00:38:43Z")
Guild member are ferocious hot chocolate drinkers. you’ll notice some keep their hands hidden because they’re holding a cup. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/34 "2014-12-28T13:30:22Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I suspect the Lollipop Guild has as much to do with making confections as the masonic lodge has to do with constructing brick buildings. In other words, it’s just the name of a local fraternal order. :dubious: I don’t recall seeing Masons carrying large blocks of stone around at public meetings… ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/35 "2018-07-28T20:07:49Z")
[There is definitely nothing on the other side of his shirt.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XzFNLJIpUQ) To me it looks like a hand gardening tool, like a little hoe or spade. But I think it’s probably an attempt to replicate the dipping of a lollipop. [Here’s a link, to see how it’s done](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGo2D99RHHU) but hit [Mute] it’s got a clappy soundtrack. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014/36 "2018-07-28T20:51:21Z")
I tell a lie, it’s more like [this one.](https://youtu.be/ZVgC9Jp_-zo?t=245) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wizard-of-oz-1939-q-brown-stain-on-lollipop-guild-shirt/708014.md?page=1)