# WND: Put down the tofu, honey, it'll only make you gay. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2006, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861 "2006-12-12T19:51:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/41 "2006-12-13T15:31:40Z")
And how about this not-so-subliminal call to arms on the front of this Sosmix packet? Eh!? [http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/421104.html](http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/421104.html) Phalluses. Communing. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/42 "2006-12-13T15:32:42Z")
[QUOTE=Antinor01] I never eat tofu or soy based products and am totally gay. Though we did have that ice cream like substance that is actually tofu…tofutti or some such. I remember being gay before that so I don’t think there’s a connection there. Of course I could just be in denial, what do us fags know anyway? 😉 [/QUOTE] Yes, that’s right **Antinor01** , you useful fool. Keep telling them that. Soon every woman will be mine! ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/43 "2006-12-13T16:14:45Z")
[QUOTE=LouisB] When I was in China I ate a ton of that tofu stuff; some of it was disguised so it tasted like pork or beef or almost anything except what it was. I thought then that tofu was part of a communist plot but I never realized it was part of the Gay Agenda. [/QUOTE] Communists fly a red flag. Gays fly a pink flag. Coincidence? I think not! ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/44 "2006-12-13T16:28:12Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] Communists fly a red flag. Gays fly a pink flag. Coincidence? I think not! [/QUOTE] And tofu is white. So…communist plus tofu makes gay! ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/45 "2006-12-13T16:36:46Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] ::takes manly-man stance:: You can have my soy sauce when you pry it from my cold, dead hands! [/QUOTE] > [@From article](#): > > P.S.: Soy sauce is fine. Unlike soy milk, it’s perfectly safe because it’s fermented, which changes its molecular structure. Miso, natto and tempeh are also OK, but avoid tofu. I feel weird referring to the article when we’re debunking it like crazy. So maybe, if tofu doesn’t cause homosexuality, we need to steer clear of soy sauce. I’m so confused. It’s like that episode of I, Mudd in _Star Trek_ when Spock tells the head android, “Mudd always lies” and cause the whole android society to go kerflooey. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/46 "2006-12-13T17:05:22Z")
Is miso paste still okay? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/47 "2006-12-13T17:10:50Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Is miso paste still okay? [/QUOTE] Only if you want to prance around shouting “Miso gay!” ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/48 "2006-12-13T17:18:47Z")
I was delayed for about a year, for various reasons, before I could start on estrogen. During that time I consumed as much soy as possible, hoping to get a little estrogen. I had soymilk on soy cereal for breakfast. I had tofu or tempeh at every lunch and dinner. I had soygurt and soy ice cream for dessert. I fucking went soy crazy for a whole year. Result? Nothing detectable. When I started estrogen pills, I cut out most of the soy in my diet in case its weak levels of estrogen would block the good stuff from my receptors. (I’m not sure if it has that effect or not.) After starting the pills, I quickly grew breasts. The dramatic difference between the teeny amounts of phytoestrogen in mass quantities of soy and the substantial amounts in the estrogen pills was glaringly obvious. So I have reason to be skeptical of the hysterical bunkum claims being made about soy-induced feminization. And I’m lesbian. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/49 "2006-12-13T17:18:55Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] A formwer cow-orker of mine told me that he was trying to cut soy out of his diet as much as possible because of the concentration of estrogen and his desire to stay as “masculine and verile” as possible. That was a couple of years ago now. He always was a very odd guy… [/QUOTE] I don’t know what’s so odd about that. Is anyone here disputing that soy contains estrogen? Is anyone here disputing that excessive estrogen has possible deleterious affects on males, including perhaps, a loss of virility? Or do people here at the Dope see that as a good thing? I don’t know if excessive estrogen in male babies can make an otherwise straight person gay, but if it’s something that concerns you, I wouldn’t rule it out. And in an aside. . . > [@kung fu lola](#): > > Dr. Samuel Epstein is working on the connection between phyto-and pseudo-estrogens (such as those found in soy) in the environment, and skyrocketing cancer rates. What skyrocketing cancer rates? Cancer rates have been falling for years in the US. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/50 "2006-12-13T18:10:19Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] I don’t know what’s so odd about that. Is anyone here disputing that soy contains estrogen? Is anyone here disputing that excessive estrogen has possible deleterious affects on males, including perhaps, a loss of virility? Or do people here at the Dope see that as a good thing? [/QUOTE] Speaking for myself, I’m quite dubious as to the perspective that one can come anywhere close to the concentrations required for the “deleterious affects on males” by consuming soy-based foodstuffs. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/51 "2006-12-13T18:24:50Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Speaking for myself, I’m quite dubious as to the perspective that one can come anywhere close to the concentrations required for the “deleterious affects on males” by consuming soy-based foodstuffs. [/QUOTE] even infants? ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/52 "2006-12-13T18:44:20Z")
This thread is making me crave stir-fry with tofu and soy sauce… ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/53 "2006-12-13T18:44:22Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] even infants? [/QUOTE] No idea, but my cow-worker was in his mid-thirties when we had the conversation in question. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/54 "2006-12-13T19:14:07Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] even infants? [/QUOTE] Infants are not soy-based, unless you’re talking about that Enfant Tofutti, for vegetarian Satanists. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/55 "2006-12-13T19:15:26Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] Infants are not soy-based, unless you’re talking about that Enfant Tofutti, for vegetarian Satanists. [/QUOTE] Ugh, I tried that once, it’s not worth it. It doesn’t taste a thing like baby! ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/56 "2006-12-13T22:28:36Z")
I have a lot of Asian friends who eat a good percentage of tofu in their diets. If this nonsense were true then you would see a higher rate of gay Asian men from areas where tofu is very common versus areas where it isn’t. Asian men do typically have less testosterone than American men, but that is biological, not because of tofu. There is no difference in testosterone levels between Asian men who are from groups where eating lots of tofu is very common and between those where it is not. Feel free to feed your baby tofu. I did a google search on “asian men testosterone soy” and found [this article](http://www.cbass.com/Soy.htm) which says: > [@](#): > > Men might be comforted to know that although phytoestrogens may altered testosterone’s activity, unlike hormone therapy, they do so without compromising masculinity. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/57 "2006-12-13T22:38:37Z")
I did some more poking around and I came across [this](http://www.enerex.ca/articles/supro.htm) which says: > [@](#): > > In his book, The Testosterone Syndrome, Eugene Shippen reported that when high levels of phytoestrogen’s fit into a male’s estrogen receptor sites, they stimulate the liver to process and excrete excess estrogen. There are initial indications that soy proteins block aromatase - the conversion of testosterone into estrogen - a concern for bodybuilders. Soy protein does not have estrogenic activity in males, so even consuming 300 grams of soy protein daily shouldn’t have any anti-anabolic effects. The increases in muscle mass and decreases in body fat seen in soy protein supplementation studies with athletes further support the case that soy protein won’t counteract anabolic processes in exercising individuals. No evidence exists that soy protein has estrogenic effects in athletes, and it may even have anabolic effects greater than milk proteins (the usual control-group supplement in these studies). You can find the Doctor’s book [here](http://www.amazon.com/Testosterone-Syndrome-Eugene-Shippen/dp/087131858X) ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2006, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/58 "2006-12-14T02:02:45Z")
[QUOTE=Carl Corey] You really think so? [/QUOTE] You should see what I do with sugar walls. ---
**Author:** ![Flyhalf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea5d25/32.png) [@Flyhalf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyhalf)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/59 "2006-12-14T02:55:47Z")
[QUOTE=kimera] I did some more poking around and I came across [this](http://www.enerex.ca/articles/supro.htm) which says: [/QUOTE] And then there is this interesting [site](http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2006, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861/60 "2006-12-14T02:57:42Z")
[QUOTE=Flyhalf] And then there is this interesting [site](http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/). [/QUOTE] Are we to take it, then, that Darth Vader is pro-Soy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wnd-put-down-the-tofu-honey-itll-only-make-you-gay/383861.md?page=4)