# Wndows 10 update is getting extra annoying now. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 17, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963 "2016-05-17T04:45:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/21 "2016-05-19T14:04:02Z")
> [@Cabin\_Fever](#): > > I am evidently going against Board opinion here, but I like Win10. > Why the hate? All my laptops and toaster run on Win10. > > Sadly, my guitars refuses all updates. > Go figure… Well, the reasons for the hate (such as it is, and where it applies) are pretty well documented. I have W10 on one machine at home, which is my personal gaming box. The rumor is that you get a few more frames per second out of the same hardware using W10 rather than 7 or 8. That was enough for me to chance it. And it hasn’t been terrible, but I’ve been brutally conscientious about neutering all the telemetry and adware. And it’s a constant vigilance I don’t feel like extending to the other 4 or 5 update-eligible machines in the household, which I don’t use every day and my naïve children do. (I’ve already had to burn more hours than I want to in order to clean out adware and other crap they’ve unknowingly installed. Adding the effort of keeping W10 on a leash would be way too much.) When I first updated to W10, the Bluetooth dongle I was using wouldn’t do what I needed it for, using the default W10 Bluetooth stack, and the manufacturer’s stack would bluescreen. It took three months before the BT manufacturer got that straightened out. So for a while, I had a smallish climb-down on basic capabilities, but it’s better now. All the apps I use on the box still run, so no loss there. Not terrible, but stepping up to W10 is riding the tiger. Hang on for dear life or the tiger will eat your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/22 "2016-05-19T14:08:12Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > It seems to be selective. Mine doesn’t either. But I think AVG is nagging everybody, and apparently people are leaving in droves. But the frequency of AVG nags has diminished considerably. It seems we have crossed over into a new computer paradigm. Get used to it. Is AVG nagging everybody, or is it nagging everybody who’s got a free version into paying? Because if so it’s an old paradigm. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/23 "2016-05-19T14:09:43Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I find the whole process less traumatizing if you just stop resisting and just let it happen. Just lie back and think of England, right? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/24 "2016-05-19T17:05:06Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > This is why Win 10 is a bad idea. There’s a reason its free. They’ll make their money from ads. > > Also, I’m concerned about my older software that is compatible with Win 7. I don’t want Win to break it. It’s only free if you’re upgrading from another OS you’ve already paid for. Most people never upgrade their OS, they just get a new computer that has the new version. And Microsoft isn’t trying to force you to upgrade so they can serve you ads, they’re trying to force you to upgrade so they don’t have to support Win7 and Win8 users in the future. I think they should just give up trying to upgrade Win7 users and concentrate on getting rid of Win8. The Win7 installed base is just too huge to expect you can migrate customers off of it. Win8 installed base is a lot smaller and nobody liked it, that’s why I felt fine getting the free upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/25 "2016-05-19T18:36:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > . I’ve heard MS even took away Access. How in the hell are we supposed to setup databases and run reports? Access is alive and well. No idea what you’re talking about there. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/26 "2016-05-19T18:53:28Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > It’s only free if you’re upgrading from another OS you’ve already paid for. . It’s free for OEM versions of Win7 and win8 too. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/27 "2016-05-19T21:36:40Z")
Sure, I meant to say, “That you’ve legally obtained a license for”. The point is, Windows is never going to find someone with Win7 on their machine who will go out and spend $100 on Win10 to upgrade their machine. Never going to happen. That customer will stick with Win7 until they buy a new machine, and that machine will come installed with an operating system that probably won’t be Win7. Point is, Microsoft isn’t giving you a free product supported by adware. They’re just trying to switch you to Win10 so they have fewer lingering Win7 and Win8 customers to support 5 years from now. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/28 "2016-05-19T23:43:28Z")
Another concern is that there are indications that at some point MS will start charging licensing fees for Win10… No thank you. I will stick with Win 7 as long as I can. Then I will switch everything I can to Apple undoubtedly, rapacious bastards. If it worked well, that would be one thing. Generally, it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/29 "2016-05-20T00:13:47Z")
Uninstall these two updates and don’t let windows install them again. It will try with every update: KB3035583 and KB2952664 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/30 "2016-05-20T01:12:42Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > Uninstall these two updates and don’t let windows install them again. It will try with every update: > KB3035583 and KB2952664 I built my mom’s pc around 2005. With a Super micro motherboard and a few components from her old pc. Ended up buying a PCI Express video card because there wasn’t a slot for her old AGP. Upgraded it to Win 7 in 2010. She’s getting nagged to update to Win 10. I’m amazed Microsoft thinks it’s compatible. I wouldn’t want to risk it. Not with a 11 year old computer. > [@ddsun](#): > > Another concern is that there are indications that at some point MS will start charging licensing fees for Win10… No thank you. I will stick with Win 7 as long as I can. Then I will switch everything I can to Apple undoubtedly, rapacious bastards. If it worked well, that would be one thing. Generally, it doesn’t. > [@Mangetout](#): > > Access is alive and well. No idea what you’re talking about there. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/31 "2016-05-20T01:25:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I wouldn’t want to risk it. Not with a 11 year old computer. An excellent point. I thought that Windows eight and ten were efforts to turn our PCs into cell phones, but from this thread, perhaps it turns them into pads. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Vorlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@The\_Vorlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Vorlon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/32 "2016-05-20T03:00:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > An excellent point. > I thought that Windows eight and ten were efforts to turn our PCs into cell phones, but from this thread, perhaps it turns them into pads. I was thinking or M$ trying to transform them into bricks myself… ---
**Author:** ![spamforbrains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@spamforbrains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spamforbrains)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/33 "2016-05-20T03:10:11Z")
> [@](#): > > She was afraid Windows had installed 10 while she slept. this actually happened on one of my computers. I can’t say I’ve noticed anything much different pre or post update, seems to work exactly the same. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/34 "2016-05-20T03:59:01Z")
I would test things very well when upgrading any kind of production system. My boss said that printing templates that worked in MS Publisher under Win 7 were misregistered under Win 10. Now there are so many variables that I don’t know there… versions of Publisher the same? Print driver the same? And only Og knows what is going on at the network level between the PC and the press… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/35 "2016-05-20T04:25:31Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I turned on my PC this morning and Windows 10 update starts demanding I schedule a date. No option to postpone it or cancel. > > Just finished installing and running GWX. Got the Win 10 nag ware cleaned off. Same here. That was the last straw. I ran GWX to eliminate the nag. I don’t want anything installing itself automatically. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/36 "2016-05-20T04:34:28Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > And Microsoft isn’t trying to force you to upgrade so they can serve you ads, they’re trying to force you to upgrade so they don’t have to support Win7 and Win8 users in the future. I think they should just give up trying to upgrade Win7 users and concentrate on getting rid of Win8. The Win7 installed base is just too huge to expect you can migrate customers off of it. Win8 installed base is a lot smaller and nobody liked it, that’s why I felt fine getting the free upgrade. If they want us to upgrade so that they only need to support one OS, they should have made an OS _that isn’t shit_. They should have made Windows 10 so good there was no reason for anyone to not want to upgrade, instead of turning it into adware and spyware. ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/37 "2016-05-20T05:29:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Just lie back and think of England, right? \ Just let the hooks do their work.\ ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/38 "2016-05-20T07:41:20Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > If they want us to upgrade so that they only need to support one OS, they should have made an OS _that isn’t shit_. They should have made Windows 10 so good there was no reason for anyone to not want to upgrade, instead of turning it into adware and spyware. It’s an illustration that Microsoft is not building an operating system for OUR benefit, they’re building one for THEIR benefit. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/39 "2016-05-20T14:29:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s an illustration that Microsoft is not building an operating system for OUR benefit, they’re building one for THEIR benefit. Surely their motive is to Make Money. If we all have to buy a new OS, they make money. If they can get information about users to sell them stuff, they make money. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Vorlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@The\_Vorlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Vorlon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963/40 "2016-05-20T14:32:58Z")
> [@Sunspace](#): > > I would test things very well when upgrading any kind of production system. My boss said that printing templates that worked in MS Publisher under Win 7 were misregistered under Win 10. Now there are so many variables that I don’t know there… versions of Publisher the same? Print driver the same? And only Og knows what is going on at the network level between the PC and the press… I thought Publisher stopped coming down for breakfast about a decade and a half ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wndows-10-update-is-getting-extra-annoying-now/754963.md?page=3)