# Wolverine VS Captain America **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 17, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801 "2015-11-17T15:39:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/41 "2015-11-18T19:12:59Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Yeah, but like I said, I thought that Cap’s shield was even more unbreakable–the most unbreakablest thing of all, even! 🙂 > > Is it comics canon now that the shield is pure vibranium? I know that’s what the movies say, but my understanding of the comics has always been that the shield is an alloy of vibranium and some unknown, never-duplicated metal that is harder than anything, even adamantium. That’s my understanding. Adamantium was invented in an attempt to replicate the shield. And of course it’s not truly unbreakable. Doom smashed it into one half-size piece and many smaller ones when he had the Beyonder’s power; Thor beat the hell out of it with the Odin force and had to hammer it back into shape; it can be teleported Trek-fashion. I expect Galactus could destroy it on a whim; he just never has because it’s nothing lik ea threat to him. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/42 "2015-11-18T20:37:18Z")
As I understand it, they’re both equally unbreakable, in that neither metal itself will be damaged by any amount of mundane energy thrown at them (to do so, you have to use something that can rearrange matter on a molecular level). The shield, however, also has the relativity-defying ability to absorb momentum, leaving its wielder unharmed from many forms of attack. If Captain America stood in the path of an onrushing train with the shield in front of him, the train would smash against the shield. Try the same thing with a mere adamantium shield, and the shield would go flying, along with the human behind it. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/43 "2015-11-18T20:41:24Z")
Clearly, both Cap’s shield and Balvorene’s claws are actually magical in nature. The smart money is still on the guy in the ridiculous blue tights over the greasy dwarf. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/44 "2015-11-18T21:13:18Z")
I have to give it to Cap. Cap thinks. I don’t see Wolverine doing a whole lot of thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/45 "2015-11-18T22:48:54Z")
Along the same lines, they’ve probably both sat through briefings about the powers and capability of the other… but the difference is, Cap listened during his briefing. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/46 "2015-11-19T04:41:39Z")
What’s this about breaking anything? Neither of them has the strength level of superman. If I hit one nearly unbreakable thing with another nearly unbreakable thing, with merely human+ strength…neither will break. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/47 "2015-11-19T07:12:19Z")
I can’t get any respect.☹ Actually, this type of setting is a big advantage to Cap because of the shield bouncing off multiple objects trick. There are too many trees and random poles in a public park. Wolverine is not all berserker instinct. I remember a [What If?](http://ultimateconanfan.blogspot.com/2009/03/marvel-comics-what-if-wolverine-fought.html)issue were Wolverine traveled in time/space and met Conan. The first time they fought Conan defeated Wolverine because Logan had some predictable fighting habits from martial training (plus Conan had a magic sword to deflect the claws). Wolverine “dies” and comes back super berserker and defeats Conan by being upredictable and slicing off Conan’s hand. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/48 "2015-11-19T07:26:35Z")
Cap and Wolverine fought in [the first Captain America issue I ever read.](http://www.comicvine.com/captain-america-404-man-and-wolf-part-3-children-o/4000-36020/) (I picked it up because I was a big Wolverine fan at the time.) The end result is Cap gets turned into a Werewolf. Whether that counts as a win or a loss I leave to your judgement. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/49 "2015-11-19T13:06:36Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Wolverine’s other powers don’t descend from his healing factor. > > His strength, endurance, and senses are all enhanced as different powers. I thought his endurance was amped up due to the healing factor going to town on fatigue poisons the way it goes to town on _other_ poisons . . . ? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/50 "2015-11-19T14:43:36Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > Cap and Wolverine fought in [the first Captain America issue I ever read.](http://www.comicvine.com/captain-america-404-man-and-wolf-part-3-children-o/4000-36020/) (I picked it up because I was a big Wolverine fan at the time.) > > The end result is Cap gets turned into a Werewolf. Whether that counts as a win or a loss I leave to your judgement. Eeew. That is a stupid, stupid result. I mean, I think I have actually lost brain cells just for reading that result. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/51 "2015-11-19T15:32:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > As I understand it, they’re both equally unbreakable, in that neither metal itself will be damaged by any amount of mundane energy thrown at them (to do so, you have to use something that can rearrange matter on a molecular level). The shield, however, also has the relativity-defying ability to absorb momentum, leaving its wielder unharmed from many forms of attack. If Captain America stood in the path of an onrushing train with the shield in front of him, the train would smash against the shield. Try the same thing with a mere adamantium shield, and the shield would go flying, along with the human behind it. Both Thor and Hulk have dented adamantium with sheer muscle. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/52 "2015-11-19T16:04:50Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Both Thor and Hulk have dented adamantium with sheer muscle. Isn’t one of them a literal god and the other one a strength level 9 gigantic supermutant? Thor didn’t have his hammer? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/53 "2015-11-19T16:38:04Z")
And was that real adamantium, or secondary adamantium? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/54 "2015-11-19T17:43:16Z")
I don’t think even giving back Wolverine’s healing power helps him all that much. His healing still takes time and can be overwhelmed with flurries of quick strikes. Cap wins the battle even if Wolverine might win the war. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801/55 "2015-11-19T18:29:09Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > Isn’t one of them a literal god and the other one a strength level 9 gigantic supermutant? Thor didn’t have his hammer? Marvel has skirted around the idea of Thor being a “god”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolverine-vs-captain-america/737801.md?page=2)