# 'Wolves' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848 "2004-10-24T02:24:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/1 "2004-10-24T02:24:51Z")
As some of you may have heard, Bush/Rove has rather clumsily tried to reprise Reagan’s 1984 “Bear in the Woods” ad with his new “Wolves” ad. (Go [here](http://www.georgewbush.com/) (at least for now), then choose your video viewer and speed. Apparently this is Rove’s “October Surprise” which he tucked away for months, saving it for the final days of the campaign.) Or you can [see the parody](http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/003338.html#more). Moral: if you vote for Kerry, wolves that look like cute little puppies will come along and lick you to death. Beware!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/2 "2004-10-24T02:32:30Z")
No debate here, I expect we’ll be moved to Mindless Partisan Stuff soon. However, though I didn’t catch it and would be interested to hear from someone who did: apparently on _Crossfire_ last night the commercial was shown as a segment intro, and the audience laughed at it. One host made fun of it: “Oooh, I’m afraid. The puppies are coming!” or somesuch. Apparently not BC04’s winningest move. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/3 "2004-10-24T02:34:22Z")
And it contains another piece of Bush/Cheney “Well, it’s technically accurate” dissembling. The ad says that the vote came “after the first terrorist attack on the U.S.” That must mean 9/11, right? Nope. They’re talking about the bombing of the WTC in 1993. And the vote to reduce the CIA’s funding came about because of the discovery that the CIA had been maintaining a large, unreported slush fund. [Read all about it](http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2108598&). ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/4 "2004-10-24T02:34:37Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > No debate here Oops, thought I was in GD. :o Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/5 "2004-10-24T02:59:16Z")
> [@Early Out](#): > > That must mean 9/11, right? Nope. They’re talking about the bombing of the WTC in 1993. How do you know that? They might also have been talking about the bombing of the Army Math Research Center at UW Madison back in 1970. There’s no reason at all to give Bushco the benefit of the doubt on their inept phrasing in the ad. If they want to say something, it’s their responsibility to make it clear. Hell, maybe they meant the Boston Tea party. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/6 "2004-10-24T03:08:19Z")
:: yawn :: ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/7 "2004-10-24T03:46:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Or you can [see the parody](http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/003338.html#more). Geezus Christ, **RTFirefly** , the next time you’d better warn us how hard we are going to laugh our guts out! I think my upstairs neighbors are probably wondering what the hell is going on in my apartment. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/8 "2004-10-24T03:51:48Z")
[::yawn::](http://www.cubscorner.com/shop/singles/3970.htm) His little tongue’s sticking out and _everything_. He looks _so_ sleepy. But seriously, what the heck does Bush mean by ‘first terrorist attack on the U.S.’? Is he discounting all those dead people in Oklahoma city? That seems a little disrespectful of him. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/9 "2004-10-24T04:18:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Apparently this is Rove’s “October Surprise” which he tucked away for months, saving it for the final days of the campaign.) That’s it? That’s the long-awaited “October Surprise”? I want my money back! ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/10 "2004-10-24T04:25:36Z")
I hope that’s it. What if it’s a preview for the October surprise? “Hey, we warned you bitches. The wolves were a’comin’!” Like the trailer for a movie. _adjusts tinfoil, removes tongue from cheek_ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/11 "2004-10-24T06:30:22Z")
As well, the ad callously degrades a little known and commonly degraded minority group, with none of the pious rectitude that the Pubbies have recently developed regarding the Sapphic persusasion. On thier behalf, I remind you: lycanthropy is a sickness, not a crime. That even a man who’s pure of heart, and says his prayers by night…well, you know the rest. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/12 "2004-10-24T06:32:23Z")
I have to wonder why people are making such a fuss over this “wolves” ad. It’s not particularly invocative, it’s not particularly clever, it’s just another piece of Bushit swirling around this maelstrom of crap we’re already bombarded with. Or does everyone like to point at it because it’s just so damn pathetic? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/13 "2004-10-24T09:06:23Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Or does everyone like to point at it because it’s just so damn pathetic? Bingo. Of course the “liberal media” described the use of wolves as a “powerful image.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/14 "2004-10-24T11:10:42Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Or does everyone like to point at it because it’s just so damn pathetic? Yeah, I figured it was plain that I was ridiculing the ad. Like **jshore** , the parody link had me laughing so hard, they could hear me upstairs. Fortunately in my case, ‘they’ were my wife and cats. The wife came down to check and make sure I was OK. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/15 "2004-10-24T12:15:12Z")
You would think that Bush would know better than to use an ad in which he is _literally_ **Crying Wolf!** ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/16 "2004-10-24T12:33:12Z")
“I am **so** scared…” ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/17 "2004-10-24T13:21:58Z")
Yeah, it’s a pretty bad ad. Most ads are pretty bad, political ads especially. That said, the similar DNC ad, which basically compares Kerry to a soaring bald eagle and Bush to an ostrich, had me in stitches when they showed it on Fox News Sunday. Mostly because ostriches are inherently funny. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/18 "2004-10-24T14:11:34Z")
If they had only used spiders! Then maybe I’d change my vote to Bush. Spiders are hella scarier than wolves. Maybe they should have run that part from the Lord of the Rings movie, where that big spider stalks the hobbit in the tunnel. With narration about how in our complicated world, there was light at the end of the tunnel and that Bush could protect us from the big spider that was coming to eat us. (As for me there’s a spider the size of a half dollar behind my bookshelf and I have petitioned the UN for a multinational coalition to remove it from power. I am too much of a dovish liberal appeaser to make a pre-emptive attack.) But to be scared of a wolf, I think I’d have to be Little Red Riding Hood. Or in Yellowstone. Or, Canada. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/19 "2004-10-24T16:10:11Z")
Fearless Misleader can protect you from that spider! You don’t really need those books anyway, right? ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848/20 "2004-10-24T17:13:36Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Hell, maybe they meant the Boston Tea party. [voiceover] “For almost two hundred fifty years, Democrats have been unable to secure our nation’s ports… vote for George W. Bush and to keep America safe.” [/voiceover] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wolves/270848.md?page=2)