# Woman at Walmart lectures a father using Food Stamps. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820 "2016-05-03T23:44:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/101 "2016-05-06T16:33:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m pretty okay with it. Not all conflicts can be resolved, or are worth resolving. Learning when to say, “Fuck it,” and walk away from an unreasonable person is a useful skill. > > Which almost nobody on this board possesses. Bullshit. Lots of us do. We’re just not here when the argument reaches the 30th page so you don’t see us. Out of sight, out of mind. I hate this board’s penchant for arguing until everyone is sick unto death of whatever the topic was, actually. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/102 "2016-05-06T16:52:27Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > \ > I hate this board’s penchant for arguing until everyone is sick unto death of whatever the topic was, actually. No, you don’t. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/103 "2016-05-07T00:31:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. For gosh sakes. > > OK, yes, but not with my name on it. > > Seriously – go ahead. I don’t endorse that use unreservedly, because I think there is a distinction to be made between the two, but I agree it’s a legitmate point in favor of mandatory health insurance. (And of course “mandatory health insurance,” is not the same as “public-funded mandatory health insurance,” but that too is another issue). Fair enough. I’ll say it came from Rbicker 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/104 "2016-05-07T00:46:03Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Bullshit. Lots of us do. We’re just not here when the argument reaches the 30th page so you don’t see us. Out of sight, out of mind. > > I hate this board’s penchant for arguing until everyone is sick unto death of whatever the topic was, actually. Yeah. I’ll make my point in two or three posts in a thread, and then, you know what, fuck it, I’ve made my point. That said, **Miller** has his own point. There are an awful lot of posters here fully willing to engage trolls and idiots to an extent that is beyond believable. Even the threads I’ve posted in, once they get beyond 3 or 5 pages, I don’t even read as a rule. It’s just going to be the same bullshit, over and over and over and over and over. . . ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/105 "2016-05-08T23:53:49Z")
[FOX News supports the woman](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/05/08/watch-fox-panel-glorifies-this-vile-poverty-shaming-assault-at-walmart/). Of course. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/106 "2016-05-09T15:52:46Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > of course, they’re stupid because the money they “paid into the system” was spent decades ago, and their benefits are being paid for by the money **I** am paying into the system today. That’s not why they’re stupid though. That’s how everything works, even when you do get every penny back of your own money, like at a bank. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/107 "2016-05-11T09:34:59Z")
Maybe she was lecturing him about having a child when he can only support that child with public funds. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/108 "2016-05-11T10:02:55Z")
I swear, people act like the instant someone becomes poor they need to surrender their children to the Local Child Shelter for adoption by someone else, like they’re an unwanted pet. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/109 "2016-05-11T10:10:40Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I swear, people act like the instant someone becomes poor they need to surrender their children to the Local Child Shelter for adoption by someone else, like they’re an unwanted pet. :rolleyes: Look, idiot, I was just trying to divine the thoughts of the women in the video, since they were very unclear, you presumptuous dolt. The child in the video appears several years old, so it’s unlikely he was born under the current conditions the father finds himself. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/110 "2016-05-11T10:18:41Z")
Chill out - that wasn’t directed at you, that was directed at people such as the woman in the video. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, but it is 5 am here and I’m still working through my first cup of caffeine. Yeah, I got that that wasn’t your thoughts, you were trying to “divine the thoughts of the women in the video”. Some of the poverty-bashers don’t seem to grok that getting help to feed the children you have and are responsible for is better than letting them starve because you’re too proud (or whatever) to accept public help. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/111 "2016-05-11T10:25:20Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Chill out - that wasn’t directed at you, that was directed at people such as the woman in the video. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, but it is 5 am here and I’m still working through my first cup of caffeine. Yeah, I got that that wasn’t your thoughts, you were trying to “divine the thoughts of the women in the video”. > > Some of the poverty-bashers don’t seem to grok that getting help to feed the children you have and are responsible for is better than letting them starve because you’re too proud (or whatever) to accept public help. I’m sorry. Entirely my fault. I misread your post and acted like a petulant ass. Since you used the excuse of early morning, I’m using the excuse of being drunk, which I am. Soryy. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/112 "2016-05-11T12:53:18Z")
Totally OK, no hard feelings (OMG! A cease-fire in the Pit!) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/113 "2016-05-11T14:20:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Good grief… > What I did say was that the practice of continuing to pay out to every person more than they pay in is not sustainable indefinitely. > > I stand by that claim. And I say that the practice of letting lawyers defecate in the courthouse with janitors forbidden to tidy up is not sustainable. This has much in common with your claim — _ **Neither of them is factual** _. With right-wing falsities and confusions being the rule rather than exception, I’m sorry if you (incorrectly) inferred that I was attributing extra stupidities to you. IIRC it is _you_, not I, that delights in employing “syllogisms” like: (1) **Brickhead** believes lots of stupid ideas. (2) XYZ is a stupid idea. (3) Therefore **Brickhead** believes XYZ. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/114 "2016-05-11T14:27:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The government can’t invest money by buying government bonds. It’s just writing IOU’s to itself. Sigh. We’ve been around and around and around on this before. I see you as fundamentally sincere and intelligent. If you weren’t so stubborn you could get a handle on this. Yes, self-debt is useless paper. The SocSec bonds could be torn up and burned and the net financial situation of {U.S. Government Plus SocSec} would not change. BUT … that does not support the faulty conclusions some people draw. To understand that, best may be to ponder some simple questions. Let’s start with _**(1) If SocSec invested its surplus in Japanese government bonds instead of U.S. government bonds, how would that effect the financial status of U.S. government and SocSec?**_ The last time we discussed this, and the time before, you refused to ponder such a question because it was hypothetical. That’s the path of stubbornness, not learning. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/115 "2016-05-11T15:32:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > And I say that the practice of letting lawyers defecate in the courthouse with janitors forbidden to tidy up is not sustainable. > > This has much in common with your claim — _ **Neither of them is factual** _. > > With right-wing falsities and confusions being the rule rather than exception, I’m sorry if you (incorrectly) inferred that I was attributing extra stupidities to you. IIRC it is _you_, not I, that delights in employing “syllogisms” like: > > (1) **Brickhead** believes lots of stupid ideas. > (2) XYZ is a stupid idea. > (3) Therefore **Brickhead** believes XYZ. Clarity is not your strong suit. (Do you HAVE a strong suit? Does some deluded employer somewhere actually pay you money for some valuable service you know how to do? The mind boggles at the image, but I suppose in a world where Honey Boo Boo earns money, anything is possible.) That aside, it’s not clear to me from the foregoing what specific claim of mine is untrue. I see two possibilities, and of course I could be missing something. (A) My claim that the current Social Security scheme is not indefinitely sustainable is false; or (B) My claim that the current Social Security scheme is not indefinitely sustainable is true, but represents a strawman argument: that is, no one is arguing it’s indefinitely sustainable and my bringing that claim up is attacking an argument never made by any serious defense of the system. Care to enlighten me? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/116 "2016-05-11T15:34:17Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Totally OK, no hard feelings (OMG! A cease-fire in the Pit!) Just like there’s no crying in baseball, there are no cease-fires in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/117 "2016-05-11T16:14:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > (A) My claim that the current Social Security scheme is not indefinitely sustainable is false; or > Care to enlighten me? Oh My God. Are you this obtuse when you’re trying to get your customers out of the drunk tank? _The claim you now pretend you made is **not the claim you made**._ You wrote > [@](#): > > What I did say was that the practice of continuing to [SIZE=“4”]pay out to [SIZE=“5”]every person more than they pay in[/SIZE] is not sustainable indefinitely[/SIZE]. I’ve placed the parts of this peculiar sentence into a hierarchy by using variable fonts. Let me lead you by the hand and see if you even understand your own detritus. Let’s start with the word every. Do you know what this word means? Would you like to replace it before we proceed? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/118 "2016-05-11T16:21:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > the practice of continuing to pay out to every person more than they pay in is not sustainable indefinitely For one thing, the bookkeeping involved in all the payouts to people who die after starting to work but before they retire is a real pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/119 "2016-05-11T16:24:21Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The SocSec bonds could be torn up and burned and the net financial situation of {U.S. Government Plus SocSec} would not change. No, they couldn’t. The US government is not allowed to repudiate their debts. > [@](#): > > _**(1) If SocSec invested its surplus in Japanese government bonds instead of U.S. government bonds, how would that effect the financial status of U.S. government and SocSec?**_…The last time we discussed this, and the time before, you refused to ponder such a question because it was hypothetical. You are aware, I hope, that this is indeed a hypothetical. Because the US government did not invest its surplus in Japanese government bonds. They spent the money. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820/120 "2016-05-11T16:37:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, they couldn’t. The US government is not allowed to repudiate their debts. The U.S. can certainly repudiate debt to ITSELF. But it was a HYPOTHETICAL, to demonstrate the point that transfers within government net to zero. > [@](#): > > You are aware, I hope, that this is indeed a hypothetical. Because the US government did not invest its surplus in Japanese government bonds. They spent the money. Yeah, he said it was a hypothetical. So that means you consider it as if it would happen, even if it didn’t or won’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-at-walmart-lectures-a-father-using-food-stamps/753820.md?page=7)