# Woman calls police. They brutalize and arrest her. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653 "2010-07-22T23:10:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/121 "2010-07-25T17:31:50Z")
I think you misattributed a quote to **gonzomax** that should have been **Sage Rat** ’s. **Sage Rat** , I remember reading somewhere that some of the reduction in fatalities from gun shot wounds was also due to improve trauma techniques and outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/122 "2010-07-25T18:12:29Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Even if you accept all of the above is true - what, at all, does that have to do with the women in the OP who was unarmed, had committed no crime, and was trying to retrieve her hand bag to return to her home? Nothing. See posts #104, #86, and #82. > [@descamisado](#): > > **Sage Rat** , I remember reading somewhere that some of the reduction in fatalities from gun shot wounds was also due to improve trauma techniques and outcomes. That’s not relevant. The studies are counting the number of cases where a gun was drawn versus a taser drawn, not whether someone was shot, nor whether that gunshot was lethal. Say that in 2000, a gun is drawn 1% of the time and fired 20% of all times it is drawn. (These are made up statistics.) That would mean in 10,000 arrests, 20 people would be shot. Not killed, just _shot_. We aren’t looking at statistics of death, just usage. The taser is introduced, and in 2003 instead of police officers drawing a gun 1% of the time, they only draw it 0.5% of the time. Having drawn it, there’s still a 20% chance of them using it, but because they only draw a gun half as often as they used to, per 10,000 arrests in 2003, only 10 people will be shot. When the police shoot you, _it is to kill you_. In official lingo, it’s simply to “stop” you, but it is also officially known as “lethal force”. You might not die, but still someone is doing a damned good job of trying to kill you. No matter what, when a taser is used, fewer people will be shot and killed simply because fewer people are shot period. So far as I’m concerned, that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/123 "2010-07-25T18:30:40Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > > > > [@Oglomott](#): > > > > > > On Tasers: Yes, they hurt. They’re supposed to. What good would they be if they didn’t? > > > > I don’t believe that that’s true. The purpose of a taser is to incapacitate a person, not to make them feel pain. The pain is just a side-effect of the method used. > > > > Point in fact, I’m nigh 100% certain that incapacitating a person is the sole intended and prescribed purpose of a taser. > > Good thing law enforcement agencies don’t order tasers with the drive stun function, then! > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > Don’t quote the police about them. They use them and are defending them. They can manufacture data as they see fit and they will. > > If you want to discuss your data find a neutral source. > > I’m not sure Amnesty International counts as a neutral source either. I am sure the difference is beyond you, but your claim that a taser is harmless pain ,is what I refuted. That does not require a lot of nuance. All I had to do was prove people die from them. They do. [Taser safety issues - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues) Read and weep. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/124 "2010-07-25T20:20:05Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > I think you misattributed a quote to **gonzomax** that should have been **Sage Rat** ’s. Oops - yes I did - sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/125 "2010-07-25T23:00:12Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > > [@descamisado](#): > > > > I think you misattributed a quote to **gonzomax** that should have been **Sage Rat** ’s. > > Oops - yes I did - sorry about that. Someone get the taser! ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/126 "2010-07-25T23:08:12Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Someone get the taser! But I’m just the messenger! Please dont’ taze me, Sis! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/127 "2010-07-25T23:11:39Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > > [@jsgoddess](#): > > > > Someone get the taser! > > But I’m just the messenger! We’ve got unused tasers right here. If we don’t use 'em on the pair of you, who are we gonna use 'em on? Now, hold still. Or, well, fight a little. That always looks better for the camera. Cheese! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/128 "2010-07-25T23:15:23Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > > [@jsgoddess](#): > > > > Someone get the taser! > > But I’m just the messenger! Please dont’ taze me, Sis! Or you can choose a broken arm. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/129 "2010-07-26T00:04:03Z")
\*I thought that my home was my castle With no one scrutinizing me No pigs, no lyin’ bitch, no hassle Y’all are brutalizing’ me. Can a man not drink his beer in silence? Can a man not crudely lie and scream? Can a man not control his bitch with violence? Y’all are brutalizing me Y’all are brutalizing me.\* © 1995 Dobbs/Twillstein ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/130 "2010-07-26T01:03:05Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > > [@descamisado](#): > > > > > [@jsgoddess](#): > > > > > > Someone get the taser! > > > > But I’m just the messenger! Please dont’ taze me, Sis! > > Or you can choose a broken arm. I would like the arm please. ---
**Author:** ![alindallas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@alindallas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alindallas)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/131 "2010-07-26T04:27:04Z")
I don’t hate cops. I just feel better when they’re not around. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/132 "2010-07-26T17:09:25Z")
“Feelin’s mutual,” Officer Flatfoot mumbled through a mouthful of soggy cruller, and then resumed filing the serial number off his throwaway. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/133 "2010-07-26T22:11:09Z")
> [@alindallas](#): > > I don’t hate cops. I just feel better when they’re not around. I guess I feel that way, too. When I see cops, I’m always afraid the situation will escalate into something violent or, for want of a better word, inconvenient. They don’t make me feel safer. Call it a reaction formation, like how an old-school ostentatious bank vault triggers a gut-level response to safecrack in ways that a simple cash register does not. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/134 "2010-07-26T23:05:32Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > I guess I feel that way, too. When I _see_ cops, I’m always afraid the situation will escalate into something violent or, for want of a better word, inconvenient. (emphasis mine) What are you afraid of, a charge of aggravated eyeballing? FTR, I feel exactly this way. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/135 "2010-07-27T13:21:32Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > > [@StusBlues](#): > > > > I guess I feel that way, too. When I _see_ cops, I’m always afraid the situation will escalate into something violent or, for want of a better word, inconvenient. (emphasis mine) > > What are you afraid of, a charge of aggravated eyeballing? From what I’ve heard, “aggravated eyeballing” as such might well get you pulled in on disorderly conduct if the cop is in a bad mood. The charges may not stick, but I’d be in a position with some dude with a gun hauling me to a place I would rather not be. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/136 "2010-07-27T16:07:15Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > At least they were able to use the dash cam against the officers. > > While listening to Talk of the Nation a week or two ago about laws making it illegal to record cops ([Link](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128387108)) the guest mentioned an incident in Prince George’s County where a journalist was mistreated by cops. There were seven police cars which all had malfunctioning dash cams. :rolleyes: [I started a Pit thread for that one at the time.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317347) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/137 "2010-07-27T16:54:20Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > > [@Nobody](#): > > > > At least they were able to use the dash cam against the officers. > > > > While listening to Talk of the Nation a week or two ago about laws making it illegal to record cops ([Link](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128387108)) the guest mentioned an incident in Prince George’s County where a journalist was mistreated by cops. There were seven police cars which all had malfunctioning dash cams. :rolleyes: > > [I started a Pit thread for that one at the time.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317347) Seven at the same time. It must be so, the police said it and they are underpaid people who like to serve the people. They would never lie. The journalist must have done something to cause the poor police to act. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/138 "2010-07-27T16:57:52Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > > [@Nobody](#): > > > > At least they were able to use the dash cam against the officers. > > > > While listening to Talk of the Nation a week or two ago about laws making it illegal to record cops ([Link](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128387108)) the guest mentioned an incident in Prince George’s County where a journalist was mistreated by cops. There were seven police cars which all had malfunctioning dash cams. :rolleyes: > > [I started a Pit thread for that one at the time.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317347) Ugh. There really is at least one person to support the cops no matter what they do, isn’t there? They could brutalize a three year old with a tazer and someone would be right there pointing out that some three year olds really are that strong and out of control and do we want a police officer to get killed in the line of duty, do we? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/139 "2010-07-27T17:08:33Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > [ > From what I’ve heard, “aggravated eyeballing” as such might well get you pulled in on disorderly conduct if the cop is in a bad mood. The charges may not stick, but I’d be in a position with some dude with a gun hauling me to a place I would rather not be. Well, see thats when you tell the cop he can’t arrest you because he is violating your rights. Then when he insists anyway, you fight em. Then, when he tazes you or beats the crap outa you to gain physical dominance, rather than submit, you keep on fighting, because your right you know, and hey, you might actually win this tussle if you try hard enough. You’d be amazed at how often this works out well for the wrongly arrested. I’d go so far as to say it should be the standard response a citizen should make when faced with being harassed by the man. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653/140 "2010-07-27T17:53:32Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > > [@StusBlues](#): > > > > [ > > From what I’ve heard, “aggravated eyeballing” as such might well get you pulled in on disorderly conduct if the cop is in a bad mood. The charges may not stick, but I’d be in a position with some dude with a gun hauling me to a place I would rather not be. > > Well, see thats when you tell the cop he can’t arrest you because he is violating your rights. Then when he insists anyway, you fight em. Then, when he tazes you or beats the crap outa you to gain physical dominance, rather than submit, you keep on fighting, because your right you know, and hey, you might actually win this tussle if you try hard enough. You’d be amazed at how often this works out well for the wrongly arrested. I’d go so far as to say it should be the standard response a citizen should make when faced with being harassed by the man. And that is what happens. The police are never at fault. it is a citizen who is stupid enough to think they should defend their constitutional rights against a cop who is perfectly willing to ignore them. Many cops get pissed when a person does not blindly respect the authority of the cops over the rights we have guaranteed in the constitution. Getting arrested for not obeying a cops directions is absurd. It is necessary for citizens to stand up against the over reaching aggression of the bad cops to expose them. The cops don’t clean their own nests. they protect bad cops. That is one of the problems ,the bad cops they protect taint them all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-calls-police-they-brutalize-and-arrest-her/547653.md?page=8)