I think you misattributed a quote to gonzomax that should have been Sage Rat’s.
Sage Rat, I remember reading somewhere that some of the reduction in fatalities from gun shot wounds was also due to improve trauma techniques and outcomes.
Nothing. See posts #104, #86, and #82.
That’s not relevant. The studies are counting the number of cases where a gun was drawn versus a taser drawn, not whether someone was shot, nor whether that gunshot was lethal.
Say that in 2000, a gun is drawn 1% of the time and fired 20% of all times it is drawn. (These are made up statistics.) That would mean in 10,000 arrests, 20 people would be shot. Not killed, just shot. We aren’t looking at statistics of death, just usage.
The taser is introduced, and in 2003 instead of police officers drawing a gun 1% of the time, they only draw it 0.5% of the time. Having drawn it, there’s still a 20% chance of them using it, but because they only draw a gun half as often as they used to, per 10,000 arrests in 2003, only 10 people will be shot.
When the police shoot you, it is to kill you. In official lingo, it’s simply to “stop” you, but it is also officially known as “lethal force”. You might not die, but still someone is doing a damned good job of trying to kill you. No matter what, when a taser is used, fewer people will be shot and killed simply because fewer people are shot period. So far as I’m concerned, that’s a good thing.
I am sure the difference is beyond you, but your claim that a taser is harmless pain ,is what I refuted. That does not require a lot of nuance. All I had to do was prove people die from them. They do.
Taser safety issues - Wikipedia Read and weep.
Oops - yes I did - sorry about that.
Someone get the taser!
But I’m just the messenger! Please dont’ taze me, Sis!
We’ve got unused tasers right here. If we don’t use 'em on the pair of you, who are we gonna use 'em on? Now, hold still.
Or, well, fight a little. That always looks better for the camera. Cheese!
Or you can choose a broken arm.
*I thought that my home was my castle
With no one scrutinizing me
No pigs, no lyin’ bitch, no hassle
Y’all are brutalizing’ me.
Can a man not drink his beer in silence?
Can a man not crudely lie and scream?
Can a man not control his bitch with violence?
Y’all are brutalizing me
Y’all are brutalizing me.*
© 1995 Dobbs/Twillstein
I would like the arm please.
I don’t hate cops. I just feel better when they’re not around.
“Feelin’s mutual,” Officer Flatfoot mumbled through a mouthful of soggy cruller, and then resumed filing the serial number off his throwaway.
I guess I feel that way, too. When I see cops, I’m always afraid the situation will escalate into something violent or, for want of a better word, inconvenient. They don’t make me feel safer.
Call it a reaction formation, like how an old-school ostentatious bank vault triggers a gut-level response to safecrack in ways that a simple cash register does not.
What are you afraid of, a charge of aggravated eyeballing?
FTR, I feel exactly this way.
From what I’ve heard, “aggravated eyeballing” as such might well get you pulled in on disorderly conduct if the cop is in a bad mood. The charges may not stick, but I’d be in a position with some dude with a gun hauling me to a place I would rather not be.
Seven at the same time. It must be so, the police said it and they are underpaid people who like to serve the people. They would never lie. The journalist must have done something to cause the poor police to act.
Ugh. There really is at least one person to support the cops no matter what they do, isn’t there? They could brutalize a three year old with a tazer and someone would be right there pointing out that some three year olds really are that strong and out of control and do we want a police officer to get killed in the line of duty, do we?
Well, see thats when you tell the cop he can’t arrest you because he is violating your rights. Then when he insists anyway, you fight em. Then, when he tazes you or beats the crap outa you to gain physical dominance, rather than submit, you keep on fighting, because your right you know, and hey, you might actually win this tussle if you try hard enough. You’d be amazed at how often this works out well for the wrongly arrested. I’d go so far as to say it should be the standard response a citizen should make when faced with being harassed by the man.
And that is what happens. The police are never at fault. it is a citizen who is stupid enough to think they should defend their constitutional rights against a cop who is perfectly willing to ignore them. Many cops get pissed when a person does not blindly respect the authority of the cops over the rights we have guaranteed in the constitution. Getting arrested for not obeying a cops directions is absurd. It is necessary for citizens to stand up against the over reaching aggression of the bad cops to expose them. The cops don’t clean their own nests. they protect bad cops. That is one of the problems ,the bad cops they protect taint them all.