# Woman falls on baby, killing both (lame, unfocused) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2004, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-falls-on-baby-killing-both-lame-unfocused/280318 "2004-12-17T11:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-falls-on-baby-killing-both-lame-unfocused/280318/21 "2004-12-17T21:59:03Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > I’m afraid I can’t buy the ‘there’s no indication of suicide’ thinking, here. It _most likely_ **was** suicide - I was just hedgeing because Police have been hedging as well. And in any case, it was almost certainly not premeditated (in the “I’ll go over to my friend-who-lives-on-the-13th-floor’s place and jump”), but rather something that snapped within the woman (who had had problems but was thought to be mostly OK now. Maybe something did just plain snap there all of a sudden). In any case, I’m fairly sure she did not aim to jump **at** or **on** anyone. But in all fairness, I am far less interested in her than I am in the baby Koren and the rest of his family. > [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > This incident has ripped up so many people’s lives. I’d bet the paramedics who tried to save the baby are struggling with this too. I hope the family will be able to cope, and heal from this someday. There’s also the teenage (17) relative who was holding Koren in her arms when the woman fell on both of them. Physically, she was only slightly hurt, but the baby was thrown from her hands and hit head first on the sidewalk, which is what killed him. She was completely shell-shocked (as in unable to utter a word) for some 24 hours after this happened. Think **she’ll** be OK any time soon? ☹ And Koren’s 4-YO brother is already asking about him, too… ☹ ☹ > [@](#): > > Is there any word on whether or not it was a suiciide or an accident yet? See above. Probably yes, but probably also pretty much irrelevant (in that even if deliberate, it almost certainly wasn’t pre-meditated). Like I said, I’m far less interested in that part of the story. > [@Biggirl](#): > > It was also reported that they had just moved into the apartment from a homeless shelter. This is eerie. Because the Shemesh family were literally on the verge of moving **out** from the rented apartment (as in, all the boxes packed and ready to go the following day) when disaster struck. It’s almost as though your story is a Stephen King-ey “repeat in reverse” of mine :eek: **Mr. Moto** - I certainly didn’t intend to stir up old, painful memories. Sorry about that. ☹ Dani ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-falls-on-baby-killing-both-lame-unfocused/280318/22 "2004-12-17T22:09:18Z")
I was thinking of the person who was holding the baby and blaming themselves, and all the people that loved that baby when I used the term “family”. I also meant, the woman’s family. All people who loved one of those who died in this tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Hustle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@Hustle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hustle)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-falls-on-baby-killing-both-lame-unfocused/280318/23 "2004-12-18T23:51:17Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > How is a man holding his grotesquely malformed penis supposed to cheer us up? How about “On the bright side, sometimes the suicide jumpers only hit people in the crotch instead of killing them?” For the record, i thought it was a cute penis. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-falls-on-baby-killing-both-lame-unfocused/280318/24 "2004-12-19T01:30:11Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > That’s why I would never kill myself by jumping out of a window, as tempting as it may be—landing on people is the height of rudeness. I don’t know\*\* Eve\*\*, sometimes when the tourists are really thick in NYC, sometimes… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-falls-on-baby-killing-both-lame-unfocused/280318.md?page=1)