# Woman raped on crowded Philadelphia train car; bystanders film it without intervening **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 19, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794 "2021-10-19T22:54:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/21 "2021-10-21T23:44:58Z")
New story on this, at least one rider reported it, and taped it. No one else is known to have recorded it. Also, this was while train was moving and stopping, riders getting on and off, it is quite possible most had no idea a rape was going on. Per Nbc10 Philadelphia. " no proof anyone callously took video of rape on septa train, DA says" ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/22 "2021-10-22T01:42:44Z")
The ambulance boxes I used to stock always had it, but it was mainly there in case EMS accidentally overdosed a patient. Giving it IV works fastest, but the nasal route is best for a layperson ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/23 "2021-10-22T03:40:35Z")
What, no suppositories? šŸ˜† ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/24 "2021-10-22T14:37:19Z")
Reuters, October 19, established there _was_ an assault. [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/philadelphia-subway-riders-witnessed-rape-did-nothing-officials-say-2021-10-19/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/philadelphia-subway-riders-witnessed-rape-did-nothing-officials-say-2021-10-19/) > ā€œAs many as 10 people actually saw some part of the attack on this rider,ā€ Nestel said on Philadelphia radio station WPHT. and > Surveillance video from the train car showed the woman attempted to rebuff her attacker, repeatedly pushing him away as he initially groped her and ultimately sexually assaulted her, local media reported. And hereā€™s a name > Fiston Ngoy, 35, faces charges of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, sexual assault and other offenses, local media reported. Ngoy, who listed his address as a homeless shelter in Philadelphia, was held on $18,000 bail and was scheduled for an Oct. 25 court hearing, local media reported. Googling that name: [https://www.google.com/search?q=Fiston+Ngoy&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS798US798&oq=Fiston+Ngoy&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=Fiston+Ngoy&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS798US798&oq=Fiston+Ngoy&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/25 "2021-10-22T15:00:08Z")
Oh boyā€¦ > **[Rape suspect in Philadelphia train attack was present in US illegally](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10109987/Fiston-Ngoy-Rape-suspect-Philadelphia-train-illegal-Congolese-immigrant.html)** > > Fiston Ngoy, 35, was arrested and charged in the horrifying attack on WednesdayĀ on board a Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) train. Heā€™s an illegal immigrant. The right is going to have a damn field day with this. Fox News is all over it of course. > **[Man accused of raping woman on crowded train was released from immigration...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/congolese-man-accused-rape-train-visa-terminated-deported)** > > EXCLUSIVE: The man who allegedly raped a woman in front of passengers on a Philadelphia area-train already has a criminal record and had overstayed his student visa ā€“ but was protected from deportation by the immigration system. Of course thatā€™s going to be the narrative here, the other details arenā€™t important. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/26 "2021-10-22T17:03:43Z")
Prosecutor says the passengers filmed rape and did nothing narrative is false. > **[Official: Narrative of riders filming train rape is false](https://apnews.com/article/business-crime-pennsylvania-philadelphia-f178707cee241951e0dc0710067c3bf0)** > > MEDIA, Pa. (AP) ā€” The narrative that passengers watched a man rape a woman on a train in suburban Philadelphia last week and ā€œfilmed it for their own gratification instead of calling the policeā€ is false, the prosecutor handling the case said... ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/27 "2021-10-22T17:11:31Z")
Iā€™ll let the fact get better established here, but Iā€™ll note that in the original reporting it was SEPTA that was out of the gate first and loudest decrying the passengers actions (and inaction). SEPTA obviously has their own liability here if a rape was perpetrated on their system ā€“ a fact that, conveniently, nobody is talking about. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/28 "2021-10-22T17:32:39Z")
From @GreysonCarlisleā€™s linked article: > Surveillance video shows two passengers holding phones up toward the assault, Stollsteimer said. One of those people provided video to authorities as part of the investigation, he said. So two people filmed it. And one of them showed it to authorities as part of the investigation. A SEPTA employee instantly recognized that this was sexual assault, and cops, who historically have not been known to just take the victimā€™s word rape occurred, pulled Ngo off the victim and immediately arrested him. The idea that two people filming it would not have recognized it as a rape seems unlikely, and the fact they neither interfered nor immediately reported it is still troubling. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/29 "2021-10-22T17:43:30Z")
Iā€™m reserving judgment because it makes me think of the Kitty Genovese case every Psych 101 course talks about. ā€œWoman raped and murdered with dozens of witnesses who did nothing!ā€ Except itā€™s been shown that most of the people didnā€™t actually witness it and thought it was some more minor issue. And a few did contact police. What happened is NYT ran a very inaccurate article that had poor fact checking in the decades after. I donā€™t really trust the police to make judgment, considering their colleagues have also [refused to intervene in attempted murder on a train](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim_Gelman_stabbing_spree). ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/30 "2021-10-23T22:34:38Z")
One thing I havenā€™t seen, here or elsewhere, is the possibility that children were on the train. Iā€™m guessing not, or we would have heard about it. They certainly donā€™t need to see anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/31 "2021-10-24T13:33:09Z")
You really want to sound like 'One of the bad things about rape is that children might see it."? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/32 "2021-10-24T17:42:05Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > One thing I havenā€™t seen, here or elsewhere, is the possibility that children were on the train. Iā€™m guessing not, or we would have heard about it. > > They certainly donā€™t need to see anything like that. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > You really want to sound like 'One of the bad things about rape is that children might see it."? https://www.youtube.com/embed/3jFqhjaGh30?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794/33 "2021-10-24T19:51:42Z")
Thatā€™s not what I meant at all. NOBODY should ever have to see anything like that, never mind experience it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woman-raped-on-crowded-philadelphia-train-car-bystanders-film-it-without-intervening/952794.md?page=1)