That last – and I contend this is of extreme importance – is precisely one of the reasons Justice O’Connor said guided her decision to permit women to make their own choices regarding reproduction.
Consider: If you give the State the power to force women to reproduce (and that’s exactly what anti-choice laws would do), you’re giving the State the precedent that could theoretically give them the power over who lives and who dies.
Your argument, rather than strengthens your position, actually strongly validates the pro-choice side, in which not the government but the mother gets to decide if she wants to bear a child or not.
Mea Culpa. I did something I hate when others do it. I was busy and couldn’t reply properly so I cited google. I hate that and promise myself I will never do it again. It’s intellectually dishonest and lazy and I should have waited to post until I had time.
The “forces” that gave women the ability to bear children also gave them the ability to do harm. If you think a 5 year old could make a sound decision on on an elective surgery, then you and I disagree. Biology did not give a human female the ability to chose to abort an unwanted child. Medicaltechnology and the law did that. The law states that the woman has the sole right to her body with regard to abortion. It doesn’t say she has more wisdom. That right seems to currentlybe based on an arbitrary “undue burden”. Again, not wisdom. A child cannot have an elective surgery, cosmetic or otherwise, without the conent of the parents. There is no inherent right to ones own body. Even abortion has resitrictions.
Technology gave women the ability to abort despite biologie’s wishes. Just as it gave a person the ability to increase thier breast size from an A to DD in a few hours. It does not bestow an extra inherent powers on the woman. Technology also gave humans the ability to fly. A female cannot spontaniously abort and more than a person jump of a cliff and flap his arms real fast and not expect to get hurt or die.
AFAIKnow, I think you underestimate the history of abortion. Abortion is about as old as humanity itself. The only thing that has changed is the safety.
Anyway, you said it yousefl. “There is no inherent right to your own body”. This is what we are afraid of. We are afraid of losing our humanity because we are women and prone to getting pregnant.
That’s beside the point. The claim is that anti-abortion laws will force to reproduce, which is just patently absurd.
I’m sure that some pro-choicers would LOVE to claim that women will be forced to strip down and have sex with men until they conceive, and then bear those children to term. By all means, let us portray anti-abortion legislation in the most heinous, most extreme way possible. After all, why bother with accuracy, as long as the rhetoric achieves its desired goal?
It’s as important in the process as any. I don’t think he ever said that. Maybe you should continue reading what you quoted to see what he actually said. :dubious:
It’s insufficient to the process. There is nothing unreasonable about saying that forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy is forcing her to reproduce. Of course it is. If she gets an abortion, she has not reproduced.
I don’t know what you mean by the first sentence. If you are suggesting that pro-lifers chose to be labelled by your ridiculous insults, you still aren’t making any sense.
The second sentence actually ascends to the dizzy heights of mere logical fallacy. You have produced no evidence that all pro-lifers consider women only as walking wombs, or murder them, or whatever your drivel was. You can’t; no such evidence exists. Pro-lifers are not murderers merely by membership in the group any more than all blacks are drug-addicted street criminals because some are. Therefore your statements are as bigoted and stupid as all such statements are.
So let’s say a 10 year old get’s pregnant , who should say …
The 10 year old’s doctor? What if she doesn’t have one? Who should decide where she should go for medical help?
Shouldn’t her parents have some say in the matter even though she may be very, very hesitant to have them find out?
And what if they respond by disowning , abusing or even killing her ? They can’t require her to get a tattoo or an brand or sex change operation, so why can they force her to carry a fetus to term, with the lifetime consequences involved ?
First, I would like to say that if a 10 yo gets pregnant, someone has already failed her. Catastrophically.
Telling her parents would depend, to me, entirely on circumstances. Obviously, if she wants to keep it, her parents will have to know at some point.
If she wants to abort, it’s tricky. I believe carrying a pregnancy to term for a young woman of that age is much riskier than for a 16 yo. I honestly believe the girl should be encouraged to have an abortion.
I think it would have to be case-by-case. I can’t make any blanket statement other than “10 yo shouldn’t be pregnant, dammit.”
And if the ten year old’s father raped her and that is how the conception occurred. And her mother doesn’t want to face up to the sexual abuse in the house. Should her parents still get a say in what happens?
Its scary, but a lot of young teens that get pregnant don’t live in supportive environments. Minnesota has a parental notification law. It has a provision for the court to waive the requirement. I’m fine with that to say - age 16 or somewhere in there - provided that the judges are carefully screened - i.e. no one opposed to abortion on principle should be evaluating cases. A ten year old DOES need an adult to figure out what in the hell is going on in their life - but the appropriate adult for a pregnant ten year old may not be her own parents. It may be a social worker, a school counselor, a teacher. Before the age of 18 the need for adult involvment diminishes. There isn’t really any difference between a seventeen year eleven month old pregnant teen and one two days past her eighteenth birthday. I personally think that parental notification laws should stop at the same point that any statutory rape guidelines come into effect. i.e. if a 14 year old can have sex with her 16 year old boyfriend legally - she should be entitled to make her own decisions on abortion.
She should. Any hospital or clinic she can get to should be able to get her some assistance and counselling.
No. the parents should have no say in the matter. It’s not their body. It’s not their choice…and that’s without even raising the possibility of abuse. If a ten year old is pregnant, the parents are probably unfit anyway.