# Women - a question for you all (TMI?) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 19, 2005, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495 "2005-01-19T04:04:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/61 "2005-01-21T21:25:39Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I like Aragorn and Legolas. :o > > i’ve also noticed something: it almost always has to be someone famous. That is, I can’t just read gay porn; it has to be slash or it’s boring. > > Now is \*that \* weird? No, not at all! I’ve just been over at the new name-your-favorite-slash-pairings thread in Cafe Society, and was thinking that it’s seeing two characters I’m interested in getting together–and how you can make an “impossible” pairing work\*–that holds my attention, not the thought of any two random guys together. I mean, if it’s nobody I care about, why should I care if they fuck or not? I’d rather watch something with a hot homoerotic undercurrent and no overt sex–like “Brideshead Revisited” or “Lawrence of Arabia”–rather than graphic porn with anonymous bodies. (Although, of course, an actual sex scene with nudity ‘n’ all between two people I’m interested in–like Maurice and Alec Scudder in _Maurice_–is very nice. 🙂 ) \*In the other thread, for example, I mentioned that I wrote DS9 fanfic, mostly Garak/Bashir; what made that pairing endlessly fascinating to me was how the heck do a cynical, galaxy-weary, former assassin and spy and a hopelessly naive young doctor manage to work things out between them? Can they? I must’ve written about 50 stories on that. ---
**Author:** ![Ink\_a\_dink\_a\_dink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ink\_a\_dink\_a\_dink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ink_a_dink_a_dink)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/62 "2005-01-21T22:32:30Z")
Sounding off - not a huge fanfic/shash/yaoi fan but homoerotic anything will get me going. Male and male is enough to get me off right there. Girl and girl is very moisture-inducing. Hell, male, female, male female or any combination thereof will do it. Real life OR porn. As long as there is no _boom-chicka-boom-chicka_ soundtrack. Although sometimes the cheap thing does it too…hmm. Hi, My name Is Ink a dink a dink and I am a voyeur. Get it on and you’ll turn me on. Inky ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2005, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/63 "2005-01-21T23:33:21Z")
> [@Miss Mapp](#): > > No, not at all! I’ve just been over at the new name-your-favorite-slash-pairings thread in Cafe Society, and was thinking that it’s seeing two characters I’m interested in getting together–and how you can make an “impossible” pairing work\*–that holds my attention, not the thought of any two random guys together. I mean, if it’s nobody I care about, why should I care if they fuck or not? Yes, but \*ordinary \* erotic writing - like Literotica - the people can be no one I know at all. Homoerotic, however has to be famous people. And I’ve been thinking about it, and I think I know why, at least for me…I’ve had plenty of experience with hetero sex, and have watched enough movies with lesbian sex, but I am VERY naive about homo sex. Really. Never seen a movie, have only rarely seen two guys even kissing IRL. So I suppose I find it much harder to imagine with two guys, since I don’t have much of a frame of reference. > [@Miss Mapp](#): > > I’d rather watch something with a hot homoerotic undercurrent and no overt sex–like “Brideshead Revisited” or “Lawrence of Arabia”–rather than graphic porn with anonymous bodies. (Although, of course, an actual sex scene with nudity ‘n’ all between two people I’m interested in–like Maurice and Alec Scudder in _Maurice_–is very nice. 🙂 ) Lawrence of Arabia? Damn! And I almost rented that…think I’ll have to rent it this weekend, then. Good God, I wonder what the mods think of \*this \* thread? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/64 "2005-01-22T07:17:17Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Absolutely. I can’t speak for all women, or most, but I know some find it very erotic, including me. Especially slow dancing or hugging or something that seems to show a deep emotional connection. That’s pretty funny in that that’s exactly the opposite from how I (a hetero guy) feel about girl on girl action. Anything with any kind of emotional connection is boring in the extreme. Dirty nasty raw sex, however, yum. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/65 "2005-01-22T23:12:32Z")
> [@Ink a dink a dink](#): > > Hi, My name Is Ink a dink a dink and I am a voyeur. > > Get it on and you’ll turn me on. > > Inky Pleased to meet ya. There’s plenty of room on the voyeurs’ couch for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/66 "2005-01-23T04:40:43Z")
> [@tremorviolet](#): > > shenen ai Google that, it comes up in French. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/67 "2005-01-23T04:43:31Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Lawrence of Arabia? Damn! Say what? They were blowing up trains and shit. What could be more macho than being killed in a motorcycle wreck? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/68 "2005-01-23T04:51:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Say what? They were blowing up trains and shit. > What could be more macho than being killed in a motorcycle wreck? ? Well, I’ve never seen it, so I’m not sure what exactly you are asking me! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/69 "2005-01-23T04:54:29Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > ? Well, I’ve never seen it, so I’m not sure what exactly you are asking me! I was thinking of the movie _Lawrence of Arabia_. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/70 "2005-01-23T04:55:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I was thinking of the movie _Lawrence of Arabia_. Well, yes, I know. Whoever it was said Lawrence of Arabia had lots of male-male sexual tension. So I said I need to see it. Then you said something about exploding trains or something. I just didn’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/71 "2005-01-23T05:07:20Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I just didn’t get it. T.E. Lawrence organized Arabs to fight the Germans in W.W.I. There are rumors that he was sodomized in some sort of thing or other. Anyway, most of his time seemed to be spent in blowing up trains the Germans were using and stuff. He died at home in heretosexual Britain in a motorcycle accident. ---
**Author:** ![audreyayn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@audreyayn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audreyayn)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/72 "2005-01-23T06:10:11Z")
It comes up in French because the term’s not shenen ai, it’s “shounen ai” or “shonen ai” or “yaoi”. Generally, in English-speaking fandoms, shounen ai refers to romance and yaoi to porn. You can find yaoi for pretty much everything. Ah, the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/73 "2005-01-23T12:43:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > T.E. Lawrence organized Arabs to fight the Germans in W.W.I. > There are rumors that he was sodomized in some sort of thing or other. > Anyway, most of his time seemed to be spent in blowing up trains the Germans were using and stuff. > He died at home in heretosexual Britain in a motorcycle accident. I wasn’t thinking of the rape scene when I mentioned _Lawrence of Arabia_, or even of trains blowing up (although I suppose that could be seen as Freudian symbolism for- uh- something…) I was thinking of the flashing, dark eyes of Omar Shariff, and the relationship between his character, Shariff Ali, and Lawrence. Lots of lovely UST there. I understand that straight guys don’t see this. This is one my favorite movies. It is also one of my father’s favorite movies. I am perfectly aware that he and I are watching two very different movies, even when we watch it together. **Anaamika** , there is also a British made-for-tv movie called “A Dangerous Man: Lawrence after Arabia” made in the early '90’s with Ralph Fiennes and Alexander Siddig (the guy who played Dr. Bashir on DS9). If you do get to see and like _Lawrence of Arabia_, you might also enjoy that. The sex is all subtext, but much closer to the surface. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/74 "2005-01-23T16:47:46Z")
> [@Miss Mapp](#): > > **Anaamika** , there is also a British made-for-tv movie called “A Dangerous Man: Lawrence after Arabia” made in the early '90’s with Ralph Fiennes and Alexander Siddig (the guy who played Dr. Bashir on DS9). If you do get to see and like _Lawrence of Arabia_, you might also enjoy that. The sex is all subtext, but much closer to the surface. Ok! Alexander Siddig is very hot, too. ---
**Author:** ![tremorviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@tremorviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tremorviolet)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/75 "2005-01-23T22:55:01Z")
> [@audreyayn](#): > > It comes up in French because the term’s not shenen ai, it’s “shounen ai” or “shonen ai” or “yaoi”. Generally, in English-speaking fandoms, shounen ai refers to romance and yaoi to porn. > > You can find yaoi for pretty much everything. Ah, the internet. Yeah, that was a typo, thanks for the correction. There’s a huge debate over the proper terminology for this genre, and it’s kinda of nebulous since we’re trying to make Japanese words fit English. The Japanese themsleves use “boys love” (in English) as the general term for original male-male love stories and “yaoi” for the more hard-core plotless stories. This [Aestheticism article](http://www.aestheticism.com/visitors/index.htm) goes into greater detail. If you’re interested in this subject, Aestheticism is a great resource. The site’s not as active as it once was but it does have some interesting archived articles and reviews. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Side_of_the_Floyd)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/76 "2005-01-23T23:07:37Z")
I think perhaps the person who wrote the OP would like _Gravitation_… ---
**Author:** ![Chimpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@Chimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimpy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/77 "2005-01-24T17:10:36Z")
> [@DarkSideoftheFloyd](#): > > I think perhaps the person who wrote the OP would like _Gravitation_… Or _-FAKE-_ or maybe _Eerie Queerie_, I’ve been meaning to read _Gravitation_, is it worth it? ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/78 "2005-01-24T18:26:17Z")
So is it weird that I am a straight guy and get kinda turned on by gay porn? It just seems so much hotter than the hetero stuff. Maybe it’s just the last vestges of my small-town upbringing, forbidden fruit and all. Not as hot as realistic girl on girl, though - that still gets me every time. I’m talking the non-models going to town - hey, boy! ---
**Author:** ![audreyayn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@audreyayn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audreyayn)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495/79 "2005-01-24T23:38:05Z")
The main character of Gravitation is very childlike. I liked the anime better, where he’s immature but in an amusing way. The anime is more humor, the comic has more sex, and the author’s done doujinshi (non-official comics for the series) with explicit sex. (Lots of explicit sex, with every random pairing you can think of.) So, depends what you’re looking for. Gomiboy, of course we’re going to tell you you’re normal. Slasher gals tend to think slasher guys are hot. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-a-question-for-you-all-tmi/285495.md?page=3)