# Women Against Feminism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667 "2015-09-27T03:08:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/1 "2015-09-27T03:08:00Z")
I came across this site: [Women Against Feminism](http://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com). I hope some of you will read what they have to say before responding. The question is: Who are these people? An irrelevant minority? A growing backlash against modern feminism? A handful of women brainwashed by the Patriarchy? Something else? Thanks for your responses. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/2 "2015-09-27T03:14:59Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > The question is: Who are these people? …women. > [@](#): > > An irrelevant minority? They are people with an opinion on the internet. > [@](#): > > A growing backlash against modern feminism? Nope. > [@](#): > > A handful of women brainwashed by the Patriarchy? Nope. > [@](#): > > Something else? Yep. > [@](#): > > Thanks for your responses. No problems. What is the debate? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/3 "2015-09-27T03:15:03Z")
Soon criticism of feminism [will be banned](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/) on all social networks. Too many young men are starting to believe they are the ones being subject to gender discrimination. Now UN is going to take drastic measures to stop antifeminist propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/4 "2015-09-27T03:19:06Z")
Seem to be based on an idea of feminism that is not necessarily correct, but I do think that the women in question bring up some interesting points. To me, feminism is very simple, it basically means that you understand that we live in a society that was created with the man as the norm, which makes it unjust towards women, and to take the stance that this is not OK. I’m pretty sure that the women would agree to these statements: - Women should have equal rights to men - Women should be paid equal wages for the same job - Women should be protected against gender discrimination If they do, then as far as I am concerned they are feminists. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/5 "2015-09-27T03:19:40Z")
**LinusK** - What is your position on these women? What exactly do you wish to discuss in this thread? **CCitizen** - what are you talking about?! ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/6 "2015-09-27T03:42:39Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Soon criticism of feminism [will be banned](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/) on all social networks. > > Too many young men are starting to believe they are the ones being subject to gender discrimination. Now UN is going to take drastic measures to stop antifeminist propaganda. You do realize that there is no direct connection between what you’re saying and reality, right? The UN doesn’t control the internet, nobody in the world or in that article has proposed banning criticism of feminism, and the UN is not going to take any drastic measures to do anything. Literally all the three things you said are untrue and not even supported by the right wing opinion piece you just posted. What seems to have happened in reality is that the UN Broad Band Commission have worked on the issue of “Cyber Violence against Women and Girls” and come to the conclusion that there is a lot of it. Which is just freaking undeniable to anyone who’s actually been online. The report first describes its’ findings: > [@](#): > > -An estimated 73 per cent of women have already been exposed to, or have experienced, some form of online violence. > -Women in the age range of 18 to 24 are uniquely likely to experience stalking and sexual harassment in addition to physical threats. > -Nine million women in the European Union’s 28 countries alone have experienced online violence as young as 15 years old. > -One in five female Internet users live in countries where harassment and abuse of women online is extremely unlikely to be punished. > In many countries women are reluctant to report their victimization for fear of social repercussions. > > Cyber VAWG puts a premium on emotional bandwidth, personal and workplace time, financial resources and missed wages. > > - See more at: [http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2015/9/cyber-violence-report-press-release#sthash.UBEt14eK.dpuf](http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2015/9/cyber-violence-report-press-release#sthash.UBEt14eK.dpuf) Then it makes a few KEY RECOMMENDATIONS: > [@](#): > > - Sensitization – Preventing cyber VAWG through training, learning, campaigning and community development to promote changes in in social attitudes and behavior. > - Safeguards – Implementing oversight and maintaining a responsible Internet infrastructure through technical solutions and more informed customer care practices > - Sanctions – Develop and uphold laws, regulations and governance mechanisms to deter perpetrators from committing these acts. > - See more at: [http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2015/9/cyber-violence-report-press-release#sthash.UBEt14eK.dpuf](http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2015/9/cyber-violence-report-press-release#sthash.UBEt14eK.dpuf) Now let’s contrast this to what you said. There is NOTHING about “criticism of feminism” here, the article is about women being harassed and threatened. What they put forth are a serious of _recommendations_ that people who actually _can_ do something about it can _choose_ to follow. The UN has no authority to impose this on anyone. In no language on the planet earth could having a meeting and then issuing a paper with recommendations be considered “drastic measures”. You are simply put completely wrong, and what you’re saying is not even supported by the right wing opinion piece that you linked to. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/7 "2015-09-27T03:46:32Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Soon criticism of feminism [will be banned](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/) on all social networks. > > Too many young men are starting to believe they are the ones being subject to gender discrimination. Now UN is going to take drastic measures to stop antifeminist propaganda. No, an irrelevant group of impotent UN bureaucrats and feminists issued a report vaguely suggesting that we block some right-wing criticism. Like everything else from the UN, nothing will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/8 "2015-09-27T03:48:47Z")
Based on what most of them have written, I’d say that most of them appear to be feminists who have been given the wrong impression of what feminism is. In the majority it looks to be a pro-sex, anti-male-hater movement rather than an anti-feminist movement. Granted, I’m sure that there’s genuine anti-feminists mixed in among them, but that does not appear to be the majority. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/9 "2015-09-27T03:50:16Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > No, an irrelevant group of impotent UN bureaucrats and feminists issued a report vaguely suggesting that we block some right-wing criticism. Like everything else from the UN, nothing will happen. Almost correct. Everything you said can be considered valid except the “right-wing criticism”. Unless you think that threatening women is a form of “criticism” that is somehow exclusively “right-wing”. I’m sure there are assholes who have problems relating to women in every part of the political spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/10 "2015-09-27T03:56:16Z")
There are many men who criticize MRAs. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/11 "2015-09-27T04:27:24Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > The question is: Who are these people? > > An irrelevant minority? > > A growing backlash against modern feminism? > > A handful of women brainwashed by the Patriarchy? > > Something else? Every poll that I’ve ever seen on the subject reports that the great majority of women are not feminists, according to themselves. Obviously choosing not to be a feminist isn’t the same thing as being against feminism, but anyone who’s followed the culture for the past several generations knows that there have always been a large number of women who are against feminism. So plainly the women posting on this particular Tumblr are not the vanguard of a totally new social phenomenon that’s never been seen before. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/12 "2015-09-27T04:36:26Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Soon criticism of feminism [will be banned](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/) on all social networks. > > Too many young men are starting to believe they are the ones being subject to gender discrimination. Now UN is going to take drastic measures to stop antifeminist propaganda. Although feminists generally align with liberals, when you look beneath the hood they are at heart authoritarians. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/13 "2015-09-27T04:37:53Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Although feminists generally align with liberals, when you look beneath the hood they are at heart authoritarians. No we aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/14 "2015-09-27T04:41:46Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Although feminists generally align with liberals, when you look beneath the hood they are at heart authoritarians. Liberals and conservatives both tend to be authoritarian. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/15 "2015-09-27T04:44:45Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Although feminists generally align with liberals, when you look beneath the hood they are at heart authoritarians. More likely then not in a few years no one [dare to say that](http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech). ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/16 "2015-09-27T04:49:12Z")
I see someone still hasn’t gotten over Leonardo DiCaprio’s death in _Titanic_. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/17 "2015-09-27T04:49:39Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > A growing backlash against modern feminism? > > Nope. Umm…it’s called “Women Against Feminism.” But thanks for the insightful responses. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/18 "2015-09-27T04:58:16Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Although feminists generally align with liberals, when you look beneath the hood they are at heart authoritarians. **LinusK** - Again, what do you want to discuss in this thread? Is it this? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/19 "2015-09-27T04:58:39Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Soon criticism of feminism [will be banned](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/) on all social networks. > > Too many young men are starting to believe they are the ones being subject to gender discrimination. Now UN is going to take drastic measures to stop antifeminist propaganda. Nuh uh. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/20 "2015-09-27T04:59:48Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Umm…it’s called “Women Against Feminism.” > > But thanks for the insightful responses. …the question was is there “A growing backlash against modern feminism?” I don’t think this sentiment is not new, and I do not think that it is growing. But thanks for your insightful response to my insightful response. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667.md?page=2)