# Women Against Feminism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667 "2015-09-27T03:08:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/221 "2015-10-08T13:15:58Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > In other words, the same kind of shit that feminists post in this thread. In constrast to the kind of shit that MRAs posted in this thread? Look, you can act all butt-hurt if you want, but you’ve done a piss poor job of defending your position by failing to make any kind of compelling argument for it. In addition you’ve repeatedly painted all “feminists” with the same brush using your own poisoned definition for the term. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/222 "2015-10-08T14:34:07Z")
> [@Quicksilver](#): > > In constrast to the kind of shit that MRAs posted in this thread? Which posters in this thread have self-identified as MRA’s? Please bear in mind that MRA stands for Men’s Right’s Activist. Posters of either gender who merely have a low opinion of the honesty of 3rd wave gender feminists and the arguments/tactics they employ don’t qualify. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/223 "2015-10-08T14:40:21Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Which posters in this thread have self-identified as MRA’s? Please bear in mind that MRA stands for Men’s Right’s Activist. Posters of either gender who merely have a low opinion of the honesty of 3rd wave gender feminists and the arguments/tactics they employ don’t qualify. Are you familiar with the, ‘If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck’ line of reasoning? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/224 "2015-10-08T16:06:17Z")
Mansplaining: 2008 definition “Whenever a man condescends to a woman due to her sex, especially on topics where his viewpoint is entirely conjectural while hers includes the empirical.” 2015 definition: “Whenever anyone with a penis disagrees with me.” Next: Object to bulldozing the homes of Palestinian families whose kid threw a rock? Dressed as you are, your Einsatzgruppen uniform must be in the cleaners. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/225 "2015-10-08T16:51:20Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Are you familiar with the, ‘If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck’ line of reasoning? Of course. Trouble is, I don’t think you know what a ‘duck’ looks like in this context. if you want to see what an MRA looks like, check out A Voice For Men or Return of Kings (I don’t recommend it) then compare what you see there to what I, LinusK, and the women on ‘Women Against Feminism’ have said. You’ll see there’s a pretty big difference in both tone and content. I’ve noticed an irritating trend among feminists (especially here) to equate critics of the arguments and tactics of 3rd wave gender feminism with the MRA movement. It’s dishonest, and a bit like equating critics of Israeli foreign policy with the KKK. > [@Slithy Tove](#): > > Next: Object to bulldozing the homes of Palestinian families whose kid threw a rock? Dressed as you are, your Einsatzgruppen uniform must be in the cleaners. Exactly! ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/226 "2015-10-08T16:52:53Z")
double post. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/227 "2015-10-08T17:18:02Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > I’ve noticed an irritating trend among feminists (especially here) to equate critics of the arguments and tactics of 3rd wave gender feminism with the MRA movement. Like Karen Straughan? ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/228 "2015-10-08T17:22:26Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Like Karen Straughan? I only vaguely know who that is. What’s she said? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/229 "2015-10-08T17:40:58Z")
Familiarizing yourself enough with the OP’s “tone and content” that you’d be able to fairly criticize calling him an MRA as analogous to calling someone a Nazi would give you more than a vague idea who Karen Straughan is. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/230 "2015-10-08T17:44:15Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > To make things easy, here’s a list of open questions. I am including post numbers so that I do not inaccurately summarize. > > Post 197 **Andros** would like to get more data on the beliefs of “most feminists” and domestic violence. > > Post 199 **ddsun** would like to understand the relationship between feminists, bugs, and the patriarchy. > > Feel free to add items to the list if I have missed them. > > **LinusK** looking forward to your responses. I think it’s amusing, that among all of you, you think I’m obligated to answer your questions, but rarely do you answer mine. As to Andros, that’s my opinion. You’re free to disregard it if you like. As to ddsun, there is none, so far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/231 "2015-10-08T17:47:57Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > I’ve noticed an irritating trend among feminists (especially here) to equate critics of the arguments and tactics of 3rd wave gender feminism with the MRA movement. It’s dishonest, and a bit like equating critics of Israeli foreign policy with the KKK. The trouble I have with your argument, and that of the OP, is that you paint ALL feminists as having the same agenda. I don’t know what “3rd wave gender feminism” means to you - to me it’s just a branch of extremism that calls itself feminism but is actually thinly veiled misandry. And I don’t know what earned it the unique title “3rd wave” or what specifically distinguishes it from other forms of misandry. To me, it just seem like a contrivance. Perhaps you can explain better than the OP has thus far? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/232 "2015-10-08T18:36:36Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The trouble I have with your argument, and that of the OP, is that you paint ALL feminists as having the same agenda. > > I don’t know what “3rd wave gender feminism” means to you - to me it’s just a branch of extremism that calls itself feminism but is actually thinly veiled misandry. And I don’t know what earned it the unique title “3rd wave” or what specifically distinguishes it from other forms of misandry. To me, it just seem like a contrivance. > > Perhaps you can explain better than the OP has thus far? I want to clarify my statement because I just took a few minutes to clarify my own wrong assumption about the meaning of 3rd wave feminism. Seems I’m behind the wave on this one. If I understand correctly, there is no general agreement on what it is exactly but it’s the most current evolution of the feminist movement, not that different from gen 2 by some accounts. And so it isn’t the more extreme form of feminism that I assumed it was but just the updated form of the gender equal rights movement. That said, like all the previous generations, it contains it’s extremist views. In that respect, I stand by my objection to the OP’s tendency to colouring all feminists with the same wide brush. Nevertheless, I acknowledge my personal ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/233 "2015-10-08T19:23:11Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Mockery is a very effective tool for silencing those who should not be allowed to have a voice. When mockery does not succeed, harassment and threats are used – many antifeminists have been doxxed and harassed. > > Many men and some women understand that in USA 2015 there is significant discrimination against men – male victims face [severe discrimination](http://wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/files/2012/01/Douglas-Hines-2011-helpseeking-experiences-of-male-victims.pdf), men are discriminated in divorce cases, male offenders get 61% longer sentence for the same crime, male bashing is very acceptable in the media. > > Many understand it few dare to talk about it. I agree. The thing is feminists are predictable when they’re criticized. > [@](#): > > “You must not be getting laid.” > > “You must hate women.” > > “You must belong to xyz (supposedly horrible group).” It’s not personal. It’s just their default reaction. Their goal is to shut you up. But the more they do it, the more they expose who they are. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/234 "2015-10-08T19:26:11Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > It’s not personal. It’s just their default reaction. Their goal is to shut you up. But the more they do it, the more they expose who they are. How about the many posts and posters that attempt to engage you in discussion that you seem to be ignoring? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/235 "2015-10-08T19:28:06Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > It’s not personal. It’s just their default reaction. Their goal is to shut you up. But the more they do it, the more they expose who they are. …And who is that? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/236 "2015-10-08T19:28:52Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Their goal is to shut you up. I have studied many systems that stifle dissent. In USSR anyone who publicly criticized Communism was either imprisoned or institutionalized. Many men are very angry – including hundreds of thousands of male victims of Domestic Violence who were at least not helped or even forced to take abusers classes. But few of them speak because they do not want to be shamed. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/237 "2015-10-08T19:44:55Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I have studied many systems that stifle dissent. In USSR anyone who publicly criticized Communism was either imprisoned or institutionalized. Ah, yes. Those were the days, my friend. We thought they’d never end. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/238 "2015-10-08T19:49:48Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Ah, yes. Those were the days, my friend. We thought they’d never end. We’d sing and dance, forever and a day. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/239 "2015-10-08T20:02:16Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/240 "2015-10-08T20:06:19Z")
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