# Women Against Feminism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 27, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667 "2015-09-27T03:08:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/301 "2015-10-18T09:04:59Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > I came across this site: [Women Against Feminism](http://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com). I hope some of you will read what they have to say before responding. > > The question is: Who are these people? > > An irrelevant minority? > > A growing backlash against modern feminism? > > A handful of women brainwashed by the Patriarchy? > > Something else? > > Thanks for your responses. We never really answered this, did we? Not surprisingly, the Women Against Feminism campaign was originated by [Janet Bloomfield](http://www.donotlink.com/framed?662296), aka “Judgy Bitch”, the “Social Media Director” for Paul Elam’s [A Voice for Men](http://www.avoiceformen.com/). Yes, [_that_ Paul Elam](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paul_Elam). By the way, since it is October, it is for the fifth year, [Bash A Violent Bitch Month](http://archive.is/HhB2A) over at AVfM (archived): > [@](#): > > I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women - to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles. > > And then make them clean up the mess. This year’s lovely thoughts from Paul can be found [here](http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/pauls-domestic-violence-awareness-month-thoughts-for-women/). Anyway, more about Janet “Judgy Bitch” Bloomfield: She has been suspended from Twitter more than once for harassment. She made up quotes, attributed them to feminist Jessica Valenti, and then [bragged about it on her blog](http://judgybitch.com/2014/08/02/jessica-valenti-is-not-having-a-good-day/): > [@](#): > > So when Jess posted that picture, I needed to goad her into replying to me directly so I wouldn’t violate Twitter’s spamming rules. I used Poe’s Law to attribute a few false but utterly plausible quotes to her, and sure enough, she replied. She [thinks it should be a felony](http://www.donotlink.com/framed?662296) for a woman to give birth to a child without the consent of the father: > [@](#): > > **No human child may be born without the on-going and affirmative consent of the adults involved.** > > Gender neutral and perfectly clear. To give birth to a child without the explicit consent of everyone who contributed genetic material should be a felony and the child should immediately be seized and placed for adoption by the state. In the beginning, to be sure, we are going to end up seizing a lot of babies under equal reproductive rights, but it will not take long for reality to sink in: make this choice and you will suffer for it. > > The most immediate effect of a law like this is that a market for male reproductive services emerges. A 35-year-old woman who no man on the planet has consented to reproduce with has a choice: she can pay a man to consent to parenthood. His consent means that he is obliged to support the resulting child so his fee will be: > > Child support + ongoing expenses over 18 years + premium for looks, intelligence, height, etc. > > That could be a very sweet deal, and men will suddenly be rather valued by women who choose to forgo any efforts towards attracting men into a mutually beneficial pair-bond. > > Wanna be a bitch? Have at it. If you want kids, you will pay for it. Judgy Bitch on [Caitlyn Jenner](http://www.donotlink.com/framed?693786): > [@](#): > > What I find depressing about the reaction to Bruce is that in order to elicit compassion and kindness and understanding and support, he needed to announce that he was, in fact, a woman… > > Bruce is now oppressed, victimized, and in need of rights… > > Bruce Jenner had to become a woman to make people care. So much more available at her [blog](http://www.donotlink.com/framed?693786), and at [AVfM](http://www.donotlink.com/framed?662296), if you have the stomach for it. Any other questions? ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/302 "2015-10-18T09:53:58Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Any other questions? Where in your links does it say she originated the campaign? According to Wikipedia it is a grassroot movement which began in July 2013 as a response to the Who Needs Feminism campaign. In any case, why do you think it makes any difference who were first? It clearly is not a movement with any structure or collective ideology. Just a bunch of individuals expressing their displeasure with something. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/303 "2015-10-18T10:49:46Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Where in your links does it say she originated the campaign? According to Wikipedia it is a grassroot movement which began in July 2013 as a response to the Who Needs Feminism campaign. Sorry, the “do not link” feature I was playing with screwed up my cites. It is in her bio on AVfM. Here’s an outside [source](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/mens-rights-movement-women-who-love-it): > [@](#): > > **Janet Bloomfield: The Social-Media Provocateur** > > Bloomfield has landed in the spotlight recently as a driving force behind Women Against Feminism, a social-media campaign featuring photos of women with scraps of paper listing their reasons for rejecting feminism. Since the week before last, when the campaign went viral, Bloomfield—a thirtysomething homemaker and doctoral candidate—has been making the network rounds, with interviews on ABC, the BBC, and NBC’s Today Show. > [@Rune](#): > > In any case, why do you think it makes any difference who were first? It clearly is not a movement with any structure or collective ideology. Just a bunch of individuals expressing their displeasure with something. The question was asked in the OP. Bloomfield is in charge of social media for AVfM. It’s laughable to try to claim it’s not something that was planned as PR for a collective ideology. Are you saying that feminism is a monolith, but anti-feminism is “just a bunch of individuals expressing their displeasure”? (I know that’s what the OP would like us to accept - at the same time he keeps parroting the _exact_ talking points from these anti-feminists and MRAs he says he is barely familiar with, just as those “individual women” do on that tumblr). If it doesn’t “make a difference”, then WTF is the point of this thread? (as if it isn’t obvious it’s just another anti-feminist witnessing thread). ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/304 "2015-10-18T11:22:26Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Bloomfield is in charge of social media for AVfM. It’s laughable to try to claim it’s not something that was planned as PR for a collective ideology. Are you saying that feminism is a monolith, but anti-feminism is “just a bunch of individuals expressing their displeasure”? (I know that’s what the OP would like us to accept - at the same time he keeps parroting the _exact_ talking points from these anti-feminists and MRAs he says he is barely familiar with, just as those “individual women” do on that tumblr). Obviously neither are a monolith. Women Against Feminism are not really a movement either any more than for instance Free the Nipple or whatever else is the silly Twitter/Tumbler drama du jour. It’s just something invented up by underpaid and overworked interns posing as journalists for various media outlets looking for cheap clicks. The life of all these “campaigns” have negligible life and influence outside their incestuous Twitter-Tumbler-Facebook conglomerate. It’s just shit and giggles but nobody really gives a shit about it. > [@camille](#): > > If it doesn’t “make a difference”, then WTF is the point of this thread? (as if it isn’t obvious it’s just another anti-feminist witnessing thread). No the question posed in the OP was who “Who are these people?" – the correct answer to that is not: Janet Bloomfield and her minions. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/305 "2015-10-18T12:04:07Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Obviously neither are a monolith. Women Against Feminism are not really a movement either any more than for instance Free the Nipple or whatever else is the silly Twitter/Tumbler drama du jour. You’re not getting it. Women Against Feminism is a PR _campaign_ started by the MRA/Anti-feminist movement. If neither feminism nor antifeminism/MRA are monolith, then why are _all_ feminists being smeared by the OP for the words and actions of any self identified feminist individual he can dig up on the internet? Can’t have it both ways. If he’s going to cite a Sharon Osbourne video or Jezebel article as if it represents me, then I’m going to come back with some of the crap from his fellow anti-feminists and expect him to own it too. Especially since he is parroting the same talking points as most of these people, whereas most of us feminists here do not even agree with the social media radfem agenda. Frankly, I don’t think a debate or discussion is what the OP is after. It would appear he’s running a campaign of his own. > [@Rune](#): > > No the question posed in the OP was who “Who are these people?" – the correct answer to that is not: Janet Bloomfield and her minions. That is exactly the answer, and I provided the cites. What informs your opinion? Bloomfield organized the campaign. She actually has minions (i.e., followers on social media). They engage in social media campaigns and descend on article comments sections en masse whenever this topic comes up. This is how it’s played. You’re being awfully naive here if you’re seriously suggesting it’s just a bunch of random individuals with no organized agenda. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/306 "2015-10-18T14:32:04Z")
**Camille** , regardless of your conspiracy theories, the answer is not Paul Elam. Another unanswered question: Who, or what, makes men? [Men](http://elitedaily.com/dating/men-pssies-women-need-start-asking-men-dates/746965/) [Are](http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448) [Obviously](https://archive.is/GNQO5) [Deficient](https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/2pac0i/men_youre_ugly_women_80_percent_of_men_are_below/) [In](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKLsk_ltENM) [So](http://badasschick.com/where-have-all-the-good-men-gone/) [Many](http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/why-are-all-the-good-guys-always-taken-gay-dead-or-34699) [Ways](http://www.the-niceguy.com/contributors/GoodMen.html). [I](https://archive.is/GNQO5) [Mean](http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2014/10/08-marriageability-employment-childbearing-sawhill) [Seriously](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4). I mean, what’s happened to us? And **Camille** , the answer is not Paul Elam. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/307 "2015-10-18T14:50:34Z")
I just wanted to point out that **LinusK** just cited _The Onion_. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/308 "2015-10-18T15:13:40Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I just wanted to point out that **LinusK** just cited _The Onion_. Also, reddit. The bastion of thoughtful commentary and curated data. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/309 "2015-10-18T15:18:04Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > I mean, what’s happened to us? I have no idea what happened to _you_, but do me a favour and exclude me from that ‘us’. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/310 "2015-10-18T19:44:35Z")
Perhaps Janet Bloomfield is guilty of Aggravated Political Incorrectness. I am not going to judge. But what counts with me is that she spoke up for men who are abused and against vilification of men in the media. Most men are afraid to speak up. Yes, sometimes I speak on these issues, but I keep low profile out of fear. Janet Bloomfield has much more courage then the vast majority of people. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/311 "2015-10-18T22:53:29Z")
So Bloomfield is all pissy that a woman wrote that "abortion shouldn’t be rare " (jb called it “charming”) but also thinks it should be a felony to give birth if the baby daddy doesn’t affirmatively consent? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/312 "2015-10-19T01:52:44Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Perhaps Janet Bloomfield is guilty of Aggravated Political Incorrectness. I am not going to judge. > > But what counts with me is that she spoke up for men who are abused and against vilification of men in the media. Most men are afraid to speak up. Yes, sometimes I speak on these issues, but I keep low profile out of fear. Janet Bloomfield has much more courage then the vast majority of people. What if she’s guilty of cybermenstruation, though? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/313 "2015-10-19T02:05:20Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > What if she’s guilty of cybermenstruation, though? The Pit is full of thousands of [mansults](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11874379/Mansults-the-put-downs-that-are-always-levelled-at-straight-white-males.html) – which is the norm. One gendered insult toward women is seen as terrible. Our society is saturated with male – bashing. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/314 "2015-10-19T04:25:18Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > The Pit is full of thousands of [mansults](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11874379/Mansults-the-put-downs-that-are-always-levelled-at-straight-white-males.html) – which is the norm. One gendered insult toward women is seen as terrible. Our society is saturated with male – bashing. Male bashing abounds but misogyny - that’s like hens teeth, right? That’s the n number one “Mansult” - it couldn’t POSSIBLY BE accurate right? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/315 "2015-10-19T04:35:37Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Male bashing abounds but misogyny - that’s like hens teeth, right? > > That’s the n number one “Mansult” - it couldn’t POSSIBLY BE accurate right? In modern media and on the Pit in this board misandry (which is supposedly not real) seems to be much more prevalent then misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/316 "2015-10-19T04:43:51Z")
For instance if someone published [like this](http://chronicle.com/article/The-End-of-Male-Supremacy/228769/) about women, they would be blacklisted from all jobs. But Chronicle of Higher Education published this about men. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/317 "2015-10-19T04:52:45Z")
From someone who thinks a caricature of a feminist (Tanya Cohen) is the secret voice of all progressives and that Joshua Goldberg is “an advocate for Free Speech” - yeah I’ll take your opinion under advisement. Btw- the contributors to AVFM- all blacklisted right? Far nastier than what you just linked - so clearly, they’ve all been thoroughly silenced? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/318 "2015-10-19T04:54:30Z")
And yes misandry is real. I don’t know who told you it doesn’t exist. Maybe you should stop believing dubious sources. ETA or better yet - gain some real life experience and report back. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/319 "2015-10-19T05:00:38Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > From someone who thinks a caricature of a feminist (Tanya Cohen) is the secret voice of all progressives and that Joshua Goldberg is “an advocate for Free Speech” - yeah I’ll take your opinion under advisement. Btw- the contributors to AVFM- all blacklisted right? Far nastier than what you just linked - so clearly, they’ve all been thoroughly silenced? Once again I am not an expert – I guess some of them have jobs. But no offline media would publish them. Janet Bloomfield stands up for men who are constantly vilified by mainstream media and for men who are abused and have no help. I would be scared to keep a high profile on these issues. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667/320 "2015-10-19T13:27:39Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I just wanted to point out that **LinusK** just cited _The Onion_. What clued you in? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-against-feminism/732667.md?page=17)