# Women are not necessarily whores. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2007, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415 "2007-12-27T22:10:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![A\_Priori\_Tea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@A\_Priori\_Tea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Priori_Tea)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/21 "2007-12-27T23:27:13Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] True. The ones who give it away usually get that label; saving it for a Man of Means is just being a Nice Girl. [/QUOTE] I strongly agree that this is part of the problem; I won’t put up with hearing a woman run down because she has too many sexual partners, or is affectionate with too many people. I will argue the point or leave the conversation, whichever seems most appropriate. Women seem to be the worst offenders on this score; I have lots of theories why, but that’s another three pages of text. 🙂 I don’t agree that this problem is a reason (or even a valid excuse) to participate in the continuing commodification of women’s body parts. Making an informed choice is one thing; allowing your body to be made into an object out of fear of others’ opinions is another. Obviously, there are many places where women have to fear for their lives or livelihoods if their reputation is sullied; I think (or maybe it’s hope) that developed, first world countries are not part of that. I probably should have pointed out that my rant is aimed mainly at the demographic with which I am familiar - first world women. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/22 "2007-12-27T23:31:28Z")
[QUOTE=Cat Fight] Agree with most of this, but a woman doesn’t need to actually ask for any compensation (even indirectly e.g. jewelry) for society – or the guy she just screwed – to deem her a whore. [/QUOTE] Or be one; any more than you need to say “I’m going to bribe you” to bribe a senator. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/23 "2007-12-28T00:09:43Z")
I am looking forward to **A Priori Tea** ’s take on the other Great Holiday Mystery: why all those womens’ magazines on sale in the supermarket checkout line have flashy cover promos simultaneously promising two mutually exclusive outcomes: _Lose 20 Pounds Over The Holidays!_ and _Make Fantastic Gooey Cakes And Pies They’ll Slurp Up And Beg For More!!!_ I’m assuming it takes a pretty strong-willed cook to bake up all those calorific treats and yet resist stuffing them into her own, um, Cavern Of Bottomless Pitdom (lest this reference to the cook as female be thought sexist, I’m betting not too many guys read the Ladies’ Home Journal). ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/24 "2007-12-28T00:39:34Z")
[QUOTE=Green Bean] psst…hey! I’ll bet if you pay for her membership, she’ll offer you a season pass to her mysterious cavern. [/QUOTE] Damn. That’s what I wanted to suggest, but I was afraid. Afraid I tell you, afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Electrical\_Storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac8455/32.png) [@Electrical\_Storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electrical_Storm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/25 "2007-12-28T00:45:47Z")
::blinks in amazement:: Please, please,\* please \* tell me you’re going to join up. 🙂 ::Secure in the knowledge that I’m not a whore. I’m a slut. :: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/26 "2007-12-28T00:57:45Z")
Heh, very nice OP, **A Priori**. Totally off-topic, but I’m a little surprised to read that you’re a woman, as you write like a guy. I can’t be specific about why that’s so – something about the way you use parentheticals and dependent clauses, maybe – but there’s something about your writing style that just seems … male. Most likely it’s just that it reminds me of my own prose. Anyway, since I’m a _raging_ misogynist, you should take this as a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/27 "2007-12-28T01:03:36Z")
[QUOTE=A Priori Tea] …an entry pass into the Cavern of Mysterious Wonder. Argh! Why does it have to be hard? [/QUOTE] Well, I think that being hard makes getting in easier, but your experience may trump mine… [QUOTE=Green Bean] psst…hey! I’ll bet if you pay for her membership, she’ll offer you a season pass to her mysterious cavern. [/QUOTE] And I wouldn’t want to buy the way in. If I was to buy a membership for her, it would be because I greatly valued her as a person and a poster I wished to get to know better (and I had enough money to afford a membership). That, and the girlfriend might have an issue with that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/28 "2007-12-28T01:08:40Z")
Please stay, please please! You write good words. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/29 "2007-12-28T01:11:12Z")
[QUOTE=Sierra Indigo] Please stay, please please! You write good words. [/QUOTE] No other way to put it but to say, “Er, me too!” and “I agree!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/30 "2007-12-28T01:28:01Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] _Make Fantastic Gooey Cakes And Pies They’ll Slurp Up And Beg For More!!!_ [/QUOTE] I think I watched that movie with an ex-boyfriend to “put us in the mood”. It was more or less disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/31 "2007-12-28T01:45:08Z")
Sluts is cool. I just wish the whores came with price tags for comparison shopping purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/32 "2007-12-28T01:53:13Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] \_Lose 20 Pounds Over The Holidays!_ and _Make Fantastic Gooey Cakes And Pies They’ll Slurp Up And Beg For More!!!_\ [/QUOTE] You forgot the trifecta of women’s journalism: The Sex Secret That All Men Want All Women To Know!!! Psst - the secret is, men like sex. And so do women. There. Cat’s out of the bag. They can stop putting this headline on “Cosmo” now. ---
**Author:** ![shamrock227](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@shamrock227](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shamrock227)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/33 "2007-12-28T02:17:42Z")
::clap, clap, clap:: Well done, **A Priori Tea** , excellent rant. Join. Join now. If you don’t have the $15 for the membership fee many of us (including me) will be happy to cover you. Anyone who rants that well deserves a spot on our roster 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/34 "2007-12-28T02:21:53Z")
[QUOTE=Turek] Every Pit begins with Pee. TM [/QUOTE] When those commercials come on, I always think: “Every fuck begins with F.” ---
**Author:** ![Buckler\_of\_Swashing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Buckler\_of\_Swashing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buckler_of_Swashing)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/35 "2007-12-28T03:05:35Z")
I also wish to extend the offer of paying for your first subscription to the board. I like you. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/36 "2007-12-28T03:42:07Z")
Wow, a newbie posting a great OP in the Pit and coming back to the thread with a few choice comments. . . .priceless!! Welcome **A Priori Tea**! I hope that you’re the genuine article and that you join. We need more great OPs in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/37 "2007-12-28T04:10:42Z")
I admit that I skimmed most of the OP. Tell me if I’m misreading this–the OP is upset because a) advertisers seem to offer gifts as a way to get in a woman’s pants and b) some women buy into that. Well… a) I’m shocked that advertisers would conflate sex with their wares. SHOCKED. a’)That said, I can’t think of any commericals (short of the Family Guy spoof) which says buy her a rock and queue up at the tunnel. I suppose one with a jundiced eye could read them that way, but the point of giving is supposed to be to show the receiver that the giving cares and wants them to have something special. Anyone who thinks gift=sex is sadly mistaken. b) I’m shocked that some women would take men (or other women) for rides in order to get nice things. SHOCKED. b’) The number of gold diggers are rather small, all things considered. The number of people who seem to think that paying for dinner equals sex afterwards, however, is a lot larger than it should be. It sucks for all parties involved. Tell me I’m misreading this. Tell me that the number of posters before me read something different. Tell me we don’t need to rehash the whole “nice guy” agruement. The OP is sounding to me like a “nice guy” doppled into the body of a woman or maybe she’s the genuine article–the exclusive “nice girl.” ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/38 "2007-12-28T04:36:34Z")
[QUOTE=Wolfian] Tell me that the number of posters before me read something different. [/QUOTE] Yep, the OP. Come on, you were asking for it. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/39 "2007-12-28T04:44:47Z")
> [@A Priori Tea](#): > > an entry pass into the Cavern of Mysterious Wonder. Argh! Why does it have to be hard? Because if it were soft it would never get in, silly. > [@A Priori Tea](#): > > Discover joy in not feeling like you’ve “wasted” something; your vagina is not going to wear out, and once you stop thinking of it in terms of a limited commodity that must be traded, you’ll find that you may enjoy the use of it much more. No seller’s remorse the next day, after all - you’ve not sold anything, and you’ve not lost anything. (We’ll leave the speech on picking your partners wisely for another day - for now, just get used to the idea that showing someone you care for them by spreading your legs is _not_ the evil that your mamma taught you it was. You’re all grownups, so you know I’m not advocating sleeping with just anyone who walks past.) > > By the same token: men (and women who date women, obviously), stop being fucking dumb. If a woman wants you to pay for your season pass, don’t - barring, naturally, it being an honest exchange in the purview of the sex trade. Paying for one devious woman only encourages the rest of them. Women get just as horny as you do, and don’t forget it. This whole concept that a woman’s libido is a flighty gazelle to a man’s ever-hungry stalking tiger is ridiculous. Find a woman who matches you, and will give it up because she wants to, not because you’re paying her to. Also, start calling these women on their bullshit. Any woman who tells you one thing and expects you to do another - call her on it, in no uncertain terms. She expects you to communicate with her, so you have every right to expect the same. Demand honesty, forthrightness, and a willingness to say what she means, not what she thinks is the expected thing to say. Stop putting up with their bullshit, and stop listening to a society that tells you you have to in order to get the Golden Pussy Of Ultimate Salvation And Purity. They are people, just like you are - hold them to the same standard to which you hold yourself. Any lower is assuming they can’t make the cut for your standards; why would you want someone who can’t meet that criteria? Quoted for truth. I couldn’t say it better. If I had a credit card, I would buy you a membership. ---
**Author:** ![Ruby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/13edae/32.png) [@Ruby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruby)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2007, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415/40 "2007-12-28T04:51:32Z")
Nice rant, indeed. I wonder, though, how many men really do equate that bauble with getting laid. All this time I thought they were just being nice. OK, I’ll go back under my rock now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-not-necessarily-whores/431415.md?page=3)