# Women are the fairer sex. Your opinions? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 31, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938 "2010-10-31T00:07:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/101 "2010-11-01T20:36:59Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > According to what I’ve read, rape is usually about power, not lust. Still, count me among the ones gobsmacked and mindboggled at **Redpill** ’s comment. Not sure if I’m gonna pop any popcorn yet, but … Don’t believe everything you read, especially from an authority source which might have an agenda. Rape is about lust. Power and a lack of morals helps. Male schlong only works when there’s physical attraction which makes it necessary for rape, unless you are gonna be using your finger which is no fun. ---
**Author:** ![Dolly\_Madison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@Dolly\_Madison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dolly_Madison)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/102 "2010-11-01T20:38:20Z")
Boy has this thread derailed since I hit refresh! I was going to reply to the original point that “fairer sex” is a term to mean morally, psychologically, as well as physically fairer (at least, until tanning salons and Snooki became popular). Now we all know none of that is absolutely true, but that is the sexist myth that society (and apparently, Monstro’s idiot cow-orker) has told itself. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/103 "2010-11-01T20:38:37Z")
**Moderator Note** Everyone: I realize there are sensitive aspects being brought up in this thread, but if the snide comments back and forth don’t stop, this thread will be closed. This really isn’t a thread to try to be funny in, either, so refrain from making jokes without at least trying to imagine yourself in the position of your target, and acting accordingly. No specific individuals noted or warned, yet. [Mod hat off] I’d always thought that the phrase “fairer sex” came not from any idea of frailty, but from the obsolete usage of “fair” meaning beautiful or attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Dolly\_Madison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@Dolly\_Madison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dolly_Madison)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/104 "2010-11-01T20:43:51Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > Don’t believe everything you read, especially from an authority source which might have an agenda. > > Rape is about lust. Power and a lack of morals helps. > > Male schlong only works when there’s physical attraction which makes it necessary for rape, unless you are gonna be using your finger which is no fun. Not really–rape is about being sexually aroused by absolute power over another being. Specifically the lack of consent is a big turn-on for a rapist: it is the violation of another person’s will (regardless of who that person is, old or young) that is the goal for the sexual deviant. Violating a person’s will is the mark of a sociopath, and all rapists are sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/105 "2010-11-01T21:42:13Z")
> [@Dolly\_Madison](#): > > Not really–rape is about being sexually aroused by absolute power over another being. Specifically the lack of consent is a big turn-on for a rapist: it is the violation of another person’s will (regardless of who that person is, old or young) that is the goal for the sexual deviant. Again, its not about power but power helps. Its about getting off regardless of consent. Power over the other person is not the goal, just a tool. This is a common misconception, IMHO. (Of course, none of us have been in the mind of the rapist to know for sure) ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/106 "2010-11-01T21:43:34Z")
Then why are you sure? ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/107 "2010-11-01T21:48:02Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Then why are you sure? Common sense. You should try it sometime. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/108 "2010-11-01T21:50:45Z")
Eh, why bother. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/109 "2010-11-01T22:06:15Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > Again, its not about power but power helps. Its about getting off regardless of consent. > > Power over the other person is not the goal, just a tool. This is a common misconception, IMHO. (Of course, none of us have been in the mind of the rapist to know for sure) :dubious: You sound awfully sure of your understanding of a rapist’s mentality. Would you like to explain _how_ you know so well how a rapist thinks and what one wants or doesn’t want, or why you think this “common misconception” is false? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/110 "2010-11-01T22:09:23Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Rapists rape those who are perceived as vulnerable. This has nothing to do with being pretty, or dressing like a whore, or being young. It does have to do with being young. Most rape victims are between 14-24 years of age, IIRC. Which correlates roughly not only with peak dating periods, but also with the period most often considered sexually desirable. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/111 "2010-11-01T22:21:22Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > :dubious: > > You sound awfully sure of your understanding of a rapist’s mentality. Would you like to explain _how_ you know so well how a rapist thinks and what one wants or doesn’t want, or why you think this “common misconception” is false? I’m a guy 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/112 "2010-11-01T22:21:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It does have to do with being young. Most rape victims are between 14-24 years of age, IIRC. Which correlates roughly not only with peak dating periods, but also with the period most often considered sexually desirable. True enough, but it’s also true that women / girls of that age are most likely to be out alone at night and/or drunk, and may be physically weaker and generally look/act more vulnerable that women a few years older. ETA: I’m a guy, and I’d just like to say I disagree both with **Redpill** ’s position, and the way he’s delivering it. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/113 "2010-11-01T22:38:32Z")
And then we have the guys who come into an interesting discussion about the differences between men and women and reduce it all to rape. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/114 "2010-11-01T22:44:08Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > I’m a guy 🆒 Are you telling me that you’re trying to posit that guy = rapist? I can’t think what else you’d mean by this post. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/115 "2010-11-01T22:45:51Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > Common sense. You should try it sometime. “Common sense” is the idiot’s rebuttal to “documented research”. IOW, the entire world does not operate according to your perception of what “common sense” is because your common sense is skewed by your own individual experiences and biases. FWIW, “attractiveness” and “horniness” are relevant to rape in the sense that the rapist views the woman as an object he desires and feels entitled to. There may also be underlying anger issues against women as well. > [@Shodan](#): > > Most rape victims are between 14-24 years of age, IIRC. Which correlates roughly not only with peak dating periods, but also with the period most often considered sexually desirable. So good news if you are 30 and fabulous! ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/116 "2010-11-01T22:55:47Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Are you telling me that you’re trying to posit that guy = rapist? I can’t think what else you’d mean by this post. In case you are seriously this dense, I’ll put it in simpler words. Being a guy, I don’t think its possible for a guy to rape a woman without him being physically attracted to her. His equipment won’t function. (Unless you want to classify erection free sex as rape, in that case yes, but those are rare) (Going back to OP) Hence a more attractive woman is more likely to get raped, everything else being equal. ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/117 "2010-11-01T23:04:42Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > “Common sense” is the idiot’s rebuttal to “documented research”. I would argue those who ignore common sense in favor of “documented research” are the idiots. > [@](#): > > IOW, the entire world does not operate according to your perception of what “common sense” is because your common sense is skewed by your own individual experiences and biases. Well, I could say the same about the opposing argument. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/118 "2010-11-01T23:33:28Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > Being a guy, I don’t think its possible for a guy to rape a woman without him being physically attracted to her. Dude, straight men rape other men. Men fuck farm animals, for chrissake. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/119 "2010-11-01T23:34:58Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > I would argue those who ignore common sense in favor of “documented research” are the idiots. Maybe you could enlighten us with some example? > [@Redpill](#): > > Well, I could say the same about the opposing argument. Yes, and that is the reason we look at research and evidence and don’t just rely on “common sense”, “gut feelings”, “intuition”, “that’s the way it’s always been done” and every other metaphor for “results that already agree with what I expect the outcome to be”. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/120 "2010-11-01T23:35:59Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Dude, straight men rape other men. Well…they aren’t that straight. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938.md?page=7)