# Women are the fairer sex. Your opinions? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 31, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938 "2010-10-31T00:07:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/121 "2010-11-01T23:41:49Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Dude, straight men rape other men. > > Men fuck farm animals, for chrissake. It was _one_ sheep, one _lousy sheep_… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/122 "2010-11-01T23:55:10Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Maybe you could enlighten us with some example? I can’t do your thinking for you, but I can point you in what I think is the right direction. Think about what you said in your post: “The rapist views the woman as an object he desires”. Using power just the means to that end, just like a mugger might use violence to rob property. > [@](#): > > Yes, and that is the reason we look at research and evidence and don’t just rely on “common sense”, “gut feelings”, “intuition”, “that’s the way it’s always been done” and every other metaphor for “results that already agree with what I expect the outcome to be”. What’s your method of determining that the research does not include “gut feelings”, “intuition”, “that’s the way it’s always been done” and every other metaphor for “results that already agree with what I expect the outcome to be” and selective evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/123 "2010-11-01T23:57:11Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Dude, straight men rape other men. We are not discussing gay rape here but pretty much the same rules might apply. > [@](#): > > Men fuck farm animals, for chrissake. So do women, what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/124 "2010-11-02T00:10:47Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > We are not discussing gay rape here but pretty much the same rules might apply. > > So do women, what’s your point? Unless you think that straight guys think that Bob the Builder and Bessie the Cow\* are the hotness, men do not need to find someone pretty in order to rape them. They don’t even have to find them human. Or alive. \*There is no Playbovine Magazine. “Oh, Bossy, take it OFF!” ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/125 "2010-11-02T00:16:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > …men do not need to find someone pretty in order to rape them… That fact that they are aroused pretty conclusively suggests that they find them “pretty”, even if you don’t. By the way men who rape other men are not usually considered straight. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/126 "2010-11-02T00:25:29Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > That fact that they are aroused pretty conclusively suggests that they find them “pretty”, even if you don’t. So, you think men think that sheep are pretty. Do men think their hands are pretty? Is that how they can masturbate? Is it actually impossible to become aroused except when in the presence of someone, or apparently something, pretty? > [@](#): > > By the way men who rape other men are not usually considered straight. Incorrect. You really don’t know anything at all about this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/127 "2010-11-02T00:36:09Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > So, you think men think that sheep are pretty. Only in heels. > [@](#): > > Do men think their hands are pretty? Is that how they can masturbate? By being aroused at the absolute power over their pretty hands and using their penis to punish them to the point of no return. > [@](#): > > Is it actually impossible to become aroused except when in the presence of someone, or apparently something, pretty? Internet access helps. > [@](#): > > Incorrect. You really don’t know anything at all about this topic. Ok fine, men who rape other men are straighter than an arrow. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/128 "2010-11-02T02:39:06Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > I can’t do your thinking for you, but I can point you in what I think is the right direction. I doubt you having the necessary hardware to do my thinking for me. > [@Redpill](#): > > Think about what you said in your post: “The rapist views the woman as an object he desires”. Using power just the means to that end, just like a mugger might use violence to rob property. Power is also the driver. They get a charge out of jacking up some sucker for his wallet. Yeah, they want the property, but why did they choose that particular method of obtaining it? Why does a rapist rape some chick instead of just finding a prostitute if it’s just about sex? > [@Redpill](#): > > What’s your method of determining that the research does not include “gut feelings”, “intuition”, “that’s the way it’s always been done” and every other metaphor for “results that already agree with what I expect the outcome to be” and selective evidence? Because you gather it from multiple, independent, respected sources. And you review it with a skeptical eye. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/129 "2010-11-02T13:45:12Z")
> [@Redpill](#): > > Not all women are at equal risk of being raped, thus one could consider the warning a compliment instead of being offended. This, **monstro**. That pyschopaths want your bod is the ultimate compliment, can’t you see that? I should hope that I had such beauty as to compell such lust to be heaped upon me (massa style, if ya dig), but alas I do not. It hurts my feelings, too. Furthermore, you should always listen to a man who speaks with authority about what motivates a pyschopathic rapist although he’s not a criminologist or anything close to it. Because he’s MAN, for Christ’s sake. What motivates someone to attack someone, drag them into the bushes, beat them half-unconscious, and visciously bang them (rather than, you know, paying a prostitute) can easily be reasoned out with common sense. Duh! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/130 "2010-11-02T13:57:45Z")
> [@](#): > > What motivates someone to attack someone, drag them into the bushes, beat them half-unconscious, and visciously bang them (rather than, you know, paying a prostitute) can easily be reasoned out with common sense. Duh! Is it your belief that this is the most common scenario for a rape? Because I would be surprised if it were. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/131 "2010-11-02T14:11:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Is it your belief that this is the most common scenario for a rape? Because I would be surprised if it were. Why do you think it matters how common a scenario it is? It’s the scenario the OP was being warned about by her co-worker and it’s the scenario **Redpill** , in all his expertise, is going on about. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/132 "2010-11-02T14:55:42Z")
If you want an explanation of the dynamics of rape, best to come up with one that explains the common as well as the uncommon scenarios. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/133 "2010-11-02T15:02:29Z")
No, not really. After three damn pages, _someone_ had to circle this thread back around to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/134 "2010-11-02T15:06:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If you want an explanation of the dynamics of rape, best to come up with one that explains the common as well as the uncommon scenarios. **Redpill** sagely implores **monstro** to find flattery in the notion that she’s at risk for being raped by an attacker at night, but you address _this_ to _me_? Seriously? Not that I’m surprised that such dumbness would come out of your keyboard given your past contributions on the subject. But really, dude? ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/135 "2010-11-02T15:13:16Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Would you like to explain _how_ you know so well how a rapist thinks and what one wants or doesn’t want, or why you think this “common misconception” is false? > > > [@Redpill](#): > > > > I’m a guy 🆒 You know, as a guy, I don’t know if I should be provoked, or if I just should feel plain contempt at both you and your remark :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/136 "2010-11-02T18:37:07Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Power is also the driver. They get a charge out of jacking up some sucker for his wallet. Yeah, they want the property, but why did they choose that particular method of obtaining it? Sure, in some cases just the feeling of power can be the driver, but in overwhelming number of muggings I think its just the desire to take just make quick cash. Sometimes, its just the simple explanations. > [@](#): > > Why does a rapist rape some chick instead of just finding a prostitute if it’s just about sex? Lack of morals? Uncontrolled sexual urges? Its like asking why robbers rob instead of just paying for the goods? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/137 "2010-11-02T18:45:48Z")
This idea that “rape is about power not lust” is a claim motivated by ideology, part of the whole theory that all men are women haters and have a systematic agenda to keep women down. It makes no logical sense viewed any other way. After all, one implication of that claim is that a man who is totally ruthless, who will kill and torture without remorse…_won’t rape_. Not unless he has an agenda against women. It is a claim that goes against human nature; women have something men want, and a certain percentage of men are going to be ruthless enough to take it. If you buy the “rape is about power” theory, you are claiming either that there are large numbers of ruthless men out there who for some bizarre reason have _just one thing_ they won’t do; or you are claiming that _every single ruthless man in the world_ has an anti-female agenda. Which extends pretty obviously to the claim that all men everywhere are out to get women. ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/138 "2010-11-02T19:12:05Z")
Looking back I can see why some women can be offended by my remark that: Hot women in a dangerous situation are more at risk for rape. Because it can be taken to indirectly mean: If no one has attempted rape on you, you must not be hot enough. Actually what it really means is: If you better manage the situation you put yourself in, you can reduce the risk (which is already very small). Men on the whole don’t hate women, they coddle, protect and provide for them. Women in today’s society (and men too) have never been safer mostly because of the various security systems put in place mostly by men. Its far from perfect, but it can be made better by not pushing the envelope to see how far the law can protect you and just using common sense. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/139 "2010-11-02T19:25:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > This idea that “rape is about power not lust” is a claim motivated by ideology, part of the whole theory that all men are women haters and have a systematic agenda to keep women down. No it isn’t. It’s about the fact that there are easier, less risky ways to satisfy lust, but none of them satisfy the need to force someone against their will to do something, i.e., exert power over them. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > It makes no logical sense viewed any other way. After all, one implication of that claim is that a man who is totally ruthless, who will kill and torture without remorse…_won’t rape_. Not unless he has an agenda against women. Which would be stupid indeed, which is why that’s not the claim. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > It is a claim that goes against human nature; women have something men want, and a certain percentage of men are going to be ruthless enough to take it. If you buy the “rape is about power” theory, you are claiming either that there are large numbers of ruthless men out there who for some bizarre reason have _just one thing_ they won’t do; or you are claiming that _every single ruthless man in the world_ has an anti-female agenda. Which extends pretty obviously to the claim that all men everywhere are out to get women. Every single ruthless man in the world has an anti-everyone who isn’t him agenda. Just because some get off on raping women and some get off on selling credit swaps doesn’t mean that both aren’t about fucking people over, and yes, exerting power over them. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938/140 "2010-11-02T19:34:04Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > No it isn’t. It’s about the fact that there are easier, less risky ways to satisfy lust, but none of them satisfy the need to force someone against their will to do something, i.e., exert power over them. Nonsense. You ignore the fact that prostitutes cost money, while rape is free. And men are often focused on sex with a particular woman as well. As for the danger; what makes you think that rapists have good judgment? > [@DianaG](#): > > Every single ruthless man in the world has an anti-everyone who isn’t him agenda. Garbage. Being ruthless just means you don’t care, it says nothing one way or the other about malice. Your claim is built on the unstated assumption that men are all evil; that men are all woman haters, and that the ruthless ones are just the ones willing to act on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-are-the-fairer-sex-your-opinions/558938.md?page=8)