# Women embracing misandry? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 27, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050 "2021-05-27T17:40:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/21 "2021-05-27T20:14:50Z")
I was speaking more of individual jobs like hiring a maid or a personal assistant. Sure, if your a hiring manager for a company, then you need to be inclusive. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/22 "2021-05-27T21:20:59Z")
Hating men (or women or whomever) but making exceptions sounds to me like being racist but pointing out that you have one black friend “because he’s one of the good ones.” I understand hating a system or wanting to strike the root but individuals should be approached as individuals, especially when they have no personal fault for whatever happened or perpetuating the causes. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/23 "2021-05-27T22:27:16Z")
> [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > But there’s no creed you have to adopt when you decide to embrace feminism. > > Right. But I don’t like to align myself with hate. Thus why I dropped my Republican status, and don’t talk to a lot of my family. But, with Republicans, it’s the majority who are hateful. With feminism, it’s a small minority who “hate men.” I don’t not call myself a feminist because of TERFs (trans exclusionary feminists), and there are a lot more TERFs than there are feminists who hate men. One thing that can hold back a group is when their opponents get people to associate them with bad things. It’s the whole “SJW” argument, where the few who do go too far are treated like the norm. Similarly, the “man-hating feminists” is treated like more common than it is in order for anti-feminists to attack them. My response therefore is to proudly say I’m a feminist while also being male and obviously not anti-men. Heck, I even will push the legitimate “MRA” issues, pointing out that feminism sees those as wrong, too. I would like to request that you consider that, as a former Republican, you may have been inundated with such messages, and thus be more biased to noticing that stuff now, despite it being a minority. And that you consider not letting that minority define your perceptions of the movement as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/24 "2021-05-27T22:38:46Z")
Couple of thoughts: There’s a big difference between not liking and disliking. One is neutral and one is hostile. And as LSLGuy pointed out above, many of the same people who decry broad-brush strokes when it comes to one category of people are remarkably comfortable with broad-brushing another category of people. It all comes down, as usual, to partisanship. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/25 "2021-05-27T22:42:24Z")
I don’t find this particularly shocking. Wasn’t this already done in the 70s? I remember reading a book in university while doing research on some topic (I forget what) and I came across some radical feminist literature from that era. It was memorable because I remember it not just promoting misandry, but specifically citing even male children as equally culpuble and guilty of oppression and deserving of hatred. Kind of fun for me as a freshman in college thinking, “wow – there really are people who think _a lot_ differently than me out there.” ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/26 "2021-05-28T01:44:38Z")
> [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > One thing that has kept me from embracing feminism is the group within them that is anti-man. Every large group has a few out of line people. > [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > I believe in equality. Like, for everyone. Then you’re a feminist. Congratulations. – I’m not going to try to find the book; which according to the article is already out of print. The article reads to me as if the author thinks that ‘I don’t trust strange men’ is equivalent to ‘I hate men in general’. Those seem to me to be two very different statements. There are a lot of women (and for that matter quite a few men) who don’t trust strange men, or some familiar ones either, and they should certainly be allowed to say so. If what Harmange actually means is that women in general should be encouraged to hate men in general, that I’m definitely opposed to. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/27 "2021-05-28T02:01:12Z")
A single young woman with no particular background in the subject writes a 96 page essay titled _Moi les hommes,_ _je les déteste_ which is published by a micropublishing house staffed by volunteers, a political official looking for publicity demands that it be banned, and now we have a thread titled “Women embracing misandry?” No, we have a single woman suggesting that a bit of misandry might work better than excusing what men do just to keep their support. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/28 "2021-05-28T13:29:37Z")
Said that way this isn’t even a tea_cup_ tempest. More like a thimble tempest. Although as always, for every person who succeeds in getting something published, no matter how weakly or undeservedly, there’s another who-knows-how-many-others thinking similarly. Back when social media was mostly genuine original content rather that forwards (of often professionally produced propaganda), we could begin to see what the _lumpen_public actually thought about this, that, or the other thing. Nowadays the quest for viral fame and sweet $weet clicks have debased that currency to uselessness. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/29 "2021-05-28T15:01:04Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Then you’re a feminist. Congratulations. How did it come about that espousing a position of equal rights for everyone means one is a feminist? As opposed to, say, a black rights activist? or a _“some-other-historically-oppressed-subgroup-of-humans”_ rights activist? If I believe in equality for everyone, doesn’t that make me just a run-of-the-mill egalitarian? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/30 "2021-05-28T15:06:02Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > As opposed to, say, a black rights activist? What you do mean, “as opposed to”? You can fit in more than one category. Feminism doesn’t denote activism, though (at least not the definitions I’m familiar with). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/31 "2021-05-28T15:19:21Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > How did it come about that espousing a position of equal rights for everyone means one is a feminist? What do you mean, “come about?” That’s the original definition of the term. When it was coined, the idea that women and men should have the same rights was a radical idea. Women couldn’t vote. They couldn’t own private property. The couldn’t get higher education, or work in most careers. The people who thought that was a bunch of bullshit were called “feminists.” The fact that feminists won on all of those issues doesn’t change the meaning of the term. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/32 "2021-05-28T15:22:47Z")
It always amuses me when women who are the primary beneficiary of feminism, in all the ways you describe, don’t like to call themselves feminists. My college roommate back in the '80s said she wasn’t a feminist because she never experienced discrimination. I watched her write a check from her own bank account, sitting in a college dorm that she was a student at, while she said all that with a straight face. (ETA I hate this replying system. This was a reply to Miller’s post) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/33 "2021-05-28T15:34:45Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > How did it come about that espousing a position of equal rights for everyone means one is a feminist? A person who believes in equal rights for women is a feminist. That person may or may not also believe in equal rights for other historically oppressed people – I would hope they do, but the historical record is kind of mixed. And they may or may not be activist about it. But, as LHoD said, there’s nothing contradictory about it. And, as Miller said, espousing a position of equal rights for women is the basic definition of feminism. And, as BigT said, opponents of feminism have put a whole lot of energy over a whole lot of years into trying to convince people that there’s something wrong with the word, in the hope of discrediting the overall idea. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/34 "2021-05-28T16:43:00Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > A person who believes in equal rights for women is a feminist. > > That person may or may not also believe in equal rights for other historically oppressed people – I would hope they do, but the historical record is kind of mixed. And they may or may not be activist about it. But, as LHoD said, there’s nothing contradictory about it. And, as Miller said, espousing a position of equal rights for women is the basic definition of feminism. It is not my intention to discredit the goals of feminism. But Ranch\_Dip specifically said upthread: > [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > I believe in equality. Like, for everyone. The key phrase there is “…for everyone,” not just for women. But then you declared they were a feminist, rather than an egalitarian. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/35 "2021-05-28T16:54:51Z")
No. I declared they’re a feminist as part of being an egalitarian. It’s not an either-or. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/36 "2021-05-28T17:02:35Z")
If someone says to you, “I speak a complex language, so I’m a human rather than a mammal,” how would you answer them? ---
**Author:** ![shh1313](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shh1313/32/8020_2.png) [@shh1313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shh1313)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/37 "2021-05-29T01:25:31Z")
@niata Truth!!! Best post of the day!! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/38 "2021-06-01T01:44:38Z")
It seems to me that many men might keep telling themselves that a particular woman “hates men” because it’s a lot easier on their egos than admitting that the woman is fine with men in general…she just hates you. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/39 "2021-06-01T02:53:26Z")
⏫⏫⏫ truth ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050/40 "2021-06-01T03:07:29Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It seems to me that many men might keep telling themselves that a particular woman “hates men” because it’s a lot easier on their egos than admitting that the woman is fine with men in general…she just hates you. Sure, there are some men who are like that. But some women are indeed misandrist and open about it; it’s not a misrepresentation of them. Such as the SCUM Manifesto, and also Pauline Harmange: > **[With ‘I Hate Men,’ a French Feminist Touches a Nerve (Published 2021)](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/books/pauline-harmange-i-hate-men.html)** > > Pauline Harmange is adjusting to the success and backlash of her debut book, one of a handful of titles from France that suggest a more frank approach to sexism and gender violence. > **[The woman who hates men so much - she wrote a bestseller about it](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/woman-hates-men-much-wrote-bestseller/)** > > Pauline Harmange explains why she believes men can't be feminists, and why women are better off without them [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/women-embracing-misandry/943050.md?page=3)