What is your problem, Ryan? That definition was for contraception, not abortion. Next time you try to bolster your incredibly weak position, at least quote the entire definition without lopping off the word that goes with it.
Way to point out the obvious. :rolleyes: Since that definition was for contraception, and abortion does not fulfill it, abortion is not a form of contraception. Sheesh, do I have to spell every little thing out?
Well, I know what word goes with it. Obviously you know what word goes with it. I’m sure that everyone else knows what word goes with it. So what the hell is the point of including the word that goes with it? Are you offended that I do not share your propensity to point out the obvious?
At this point, with everybody heaving dictionaries at everybody else, I think we should all get vasectomies and adopt. Any questions?
The medical establishment doesn’t 100% agree with you.
Unless ‘oral contraceptive’ does not mean birth control pills.
mm…does this include spitting, or just oral in general?
the mind boggles at this one! 
The things I have read indicate that it is quite possible to stop men from producing sperm to the point where conception is statistically comparable to that of the ladies’ pill. Unfortunately, all efforts to date also render a man impotent. This is effective birth control, but it rather misses the point I should think.
I also have to disagree about there not being a market for this product. There are lots of women who cannot take the pill, and must resort to other methods. Before I got snipped my wife was one such, and the discomfort of my operation was acceptable when contrasted against the fact that I never need use a damn condom again. Had I still been single and wanted children at some future date, I damn sure would have traded condoms for a pill.
You have been misinformed. Alatariel’s post in 100% correct. The pill is supposed to stop an egg from being produced. If it fails to do so, the second line of defense is the thickening of the cervical mucus, to prevent sperm from entering. If that also fails, then it may prevent a fertilized egg from becoming implanted. I know from some of the material my husband brings home that the Catholic church insists the risk of “abortion” is still too great (not that they approve of any form of artificial contraceptive), but, to me, there’s still a couple of big hurdles to get over before, gasp, a baby is killed. “The pill” is not automatically synonymous with “the morning after pill” or RU486(ing this pregnancy–great name :p).
I am going to take a bit of a different look at this. Some people (I take for granted women) have mentioned that in no way would they recommend the “un-impregnable” sex control if they will/will not get pregnant.
I think that if they came out with a male pill it would be widely used, especially by monogomous (sp?) couples. I know would would leap at the opportunity. Women already “trust” men to wear condoms that don’t have holes in them. I don’t see a big stretch here.
For the bar hopping crowd though, I can’t see it being a very viable alternative, especially since I can’t see it helping control STDs…then again, the Pill isn’t either.
My .02
Time and time again, when this debate comes up (both on this board and amongst circles of friends) the one thing that I hear time and time again is that what women in her right mind would trust a man who claimed to be on the ‘pill’?
Perhaps this is why a male version of the pill is not running rampant through our pharmacies. Not because of any male scheme to enslave and subjugate the women around us, not because the research labs and pharmacutical firms are run by men, not because the government is bad … but simply because women are saying that they would not trust a man who claimed to be using the pill so why would men buy / use it???
Personally, if I can’t trust the person I am humping (just wanted to use hump in this thread! smile ) then I am going to use a condom regardless of her insistance of being on the pill … there are things beyond pregnancy to fear.
The trust issue is a little overblown I feel - the male pill wouldn’t be targeted at those guys who bed three different women a night, rather towards monogomous couples.
I would definitely take the male pill, and my gf would be thrilled for me to do so:[list=1][li]She is notoriously unreliable and frequently forgets to take the pill, thus forcing her to take two in close succession with the resultant feelings of nausea.[/li]
[li]It has unfortunate side effects for her in particular[/li]
[li]Hi Opal.[/list=1]Lest you accuse me of being unfeeling on point 2, let me say that I offer to use condoms and in fact we often still use condoms anyway but she wouldn’t feel totally confidant in the condom alone due to the dangers of splitting or leakage. This makes the pill, as far as she is concerned, a necessity.[/li]
OTOH if there were a male pill, I would give it a go and she could stop.
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How do you figure?
Just a quick note.
Abortion means terminating a pregnancy. The foetus has to actually implant in the uterine lining for the woman to be pregnant. That’s what impregnation means.
The birth control pill acts to prevent conception by means of preventing ovulation. Therefore it is a contraceptive.
As already mentioned, the birth control pill’s second line of defence is that it prevents implantation. It prevents impregnation ever happening. It is therefore not an abortifacient. Following the M-W definition already provided, it is a contraceptive.
Back to topic:
I would be happy for my partner to take a male oral contraceptive, just as he is currently happy for me to take the female oral contraceptive.
I think the male oral contraceptive would be targeted to established responsible couples, just as the female oral contraceptive is. Anyone who is bedding three people a night should be taking safe sex precautions. An established couple should already have issues of trust sorted out before they decide to have unprotected sex together.
Flodnak: You have obviously been hurt in some way and there’s nothing I can do about that, but I can help you get your facts straight.
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I assume the “others” you speak of are well informed about this subject matter that they can say with conviction that the vast majority of Men are not concerned about the repercusions of fathering a child?
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You seem to know a lot about what Men think regarding the sex act. You seem to be saying that Men really don’t care about anything other than getting laid. I believe you have overrated your vagina. Condoms don’t only guard against pregnancy, they also protect against STD’s and are therefore necessary. A wise person should not take the word of someone (s)he has not know for a long time who is not prepared for the consequences if it turns out that his/her partner is not taking precautions and/or has an STD contrary to previous testimony.
“Or maybe men just won’t put up with putting synthetic hormones into their own bodies… but then why is it so natural for a woman to do just that?” This sentence sure makes you sound like a rabid sexist. If there were a pill available Men would have the option, but we don’t because there’s not. Ask Jesse Jackson if he’d be willing to take it. Is it so natural for a woman to take the pill? Not particularly. How many women are currently on the pill in the US for strictly contraceptive reasons? Not as many as you’re making out as the pill is also subscribed for other medical reasons (ie as a treatment for endometriosis.)
- “It’s sometimes said to be marketing, as well. The potential market for a male pill is too small to be worth investing serious research dollars, so they say.” Who says this? Who are They? How does this even get past the most permissive reality check?
Pyrrhonist: As you said, vasectomy is not genereally reversible and is not a suitable alternative to men who do want to eventually have (more) children which approximately is every man below the age of 50.
Lazarus7: Any man who trusted a woman that said she was on the pill should have his head examined.
BlackKnight: Because any guy who humps three different women in a night needs to use a condom to guard against STD’s. If he doesn’t, both he and his partner are sTuPiD.
Fear Itself, The Ryan, Tansu: The Catholic church considers a fertilized egg a pregnancy and does not consider the actual definitions of words to be important. Since it’s already waylaid “pregnant” it goes farther and hijacks “abortion” as well thereby justifying it’s claim (to whomever that will listen) that the pill is an abortifacient.
I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that since such a person would probably be using a condom anyway, they are less likely to use another method as well?
I think that any guy humping (I always giggle when I say that word ) three different women in a night would use just about anything he could get his hands on to prevent pregnancy. I mean, wouldn’t those sort of people use a condom and the pill, just to be safe?