# womens voice **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 6, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860 "2003-09-06T01:42:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![grimeye187](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5e9695/32.png) [@grimeye187](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimeye187)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/1 "2003-09-06T01:42:21Z")
Yes I know your probably thinking I am an oppressor who is 12 but I’m not. I am just saying what I see. What I see in the world is a change, mostly for the worse but the world will still be tolerable. Since women had the right to vote so many changes have been made. Gay rights, equal rights, all of these new laws that are coming out would have never been thought of if women didn’t have the right to vote. These changes are making the governments of the world fall like the stones of time. These changes are making the straps go down tighter and tighter. One day the people who obey the laws and live under them are going to stop and all anarchy will come to follow. ``` The 18th man.Grimeye187 ``` ---
**Author:** ![Soup\_du\_jour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Soup\_du\_jour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup_du_jour)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/2 "2003-09-06T01:55:54Z")
Correlation doesn’t imply causation. Also, do you have any cites for the claim that “equal rights” are “making the straps go down tighter and tighter” or that “one day the people who obey the laws…are going to stop and all anarchy will come to follow”? ---
**Author:** ![Psifireus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Psifireus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psifireus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/3 "2003-09-06T02:00:43Z")
Yeah, and every woman I talk to about this feels _really, really_ bad about it too. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Joe\_Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Random)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/4 "2003-09-06T02:21:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grimeye187 \* > \*\*Gay rights, equal rights, all of these new laws that are coming out would have never been thought of if women didn’t have the right to vote. \*\* So males are incapable of granting equal rights to minorities? I call bullshit. The 19[sup]th[/sup] Amendment gave women the right to vote, while it was the **15[sup]th[/sup]** Amendment gave minorities the right to vote. Thus, minorities were beginning to receive equal rights _before_ women could vote. Ergo, your statement that women voting was responsible for equal rights is incorrect. Besides which, do you actually view granting equal rights to minorities as a bad thing? Color me flabbergasted. As for the rest of your wild-ass conjectures, would you care to explain what you reasoning (if any) might be? ---
**Author:** ![RoundGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@RoundGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RoundGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/5 "2003-09-06T02:42:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes I know your probably thinking I am an oppressor who is 12 Well, I don’t know about the “oppressor” part, but yes, I’m guessing you’re about 12… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/6 "2003-09-06T14:33:27Z")
Nice first post. \ ---
**Author:** ![fizzygoodmakefeelnice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@fizzygoodmakefeelnice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fizzygoodmakefeelnice)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/7 "2003-09-06T14:44:55Z")
I wish the straps would ‘go down tighter and tighter’ on your straight jacket. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/8 "2003-09-06T15:11:44Z")
Yes, I want some taquitos. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/9 "2003-09-06T15:26:49Z")
They never should have given women, minorities, or people who don’t own land the right to vote. Look how much worse the world is today. There’s no slavery so you’re actually expected to pay workers a wag, you can’t beat your wife and kids whenever you feel like it and lord knows they mouth off more because of it, those vile plebeians actually think they know enough about how the government works to have a say in what happens instead of letting the land owners, who are obviously much smarter for that alone, make the rules…wait, what was the argument again? ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/10 "2003-09-06T16:43:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grimeye187 \* > \*\*Yes I know your probably thinking I am an oppressor who is 12 but I’m not. I am just saying what I see. > What I see in the world is a change, mostly for the worse but the world will still be tolerable. Since women had the right to vote so many changes have been made. Gay rights, equal rights, all of these new laws that are coming out would have never been thought of if women didn’t have the right to vote. > These changes are making the governments of the world fall like the stones of time. These changes are making the straps go down tighter and tighter. One day the people who obey the laws and live under them are going to stop and all anarchy will come to follow. > > ``` > The 18th man.Grimeye187 ** > > ``` And you say this as if it’s a bad thing! ::waves little anarchist flag:: ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/11 "2003-09-06T17:03:16Z")
Anarchists have a flag? 😕 What is it? A Jackson Pollack painting? A crazy quilt? Tie-dye? ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/12 "2003-09-06T17:40:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by psifireus \* > \*\*Yeah, and every woman I talk to about this feels _really, really_ bad about it too. \*\* No. No, we don’t. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/13 "2003-09-06T17:49:03Z")
> [@](#): > > **NoClueBoy** : What is it? A Jackson Pollack painting? A crazy quilt? Tie-dye? _Snort_ NCB, I just _love_ you! **grimeye187** , I vote to welcome you anyway. Open up. You’re headed in the wrong direction if you want to live a cool life. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/14 "2003-09-06T17:52:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*Anarchists have a flag? > > 😕 > What is it? A Jackson Pollack painting? A crazy quilt? Tie-dye? \*\* It’s _round_. See how iconoclastic they are? I have to chuckle when I see phrases like “all of these new laws that are coming out”, as though legislation in the Western democracies (assuming the OP is in one of them) was being produced at breakneck speed. More “traditional” societies might never (or rarely) change their formal laws, but enforcement of those laws is typically at the whim of whatever official holds power at a given moment, and traditional societies just _love_ institutional corruption, I’ve noticed. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/15 "2003-09-06T17:57:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grimeye187 \* > \*\*Yes I know your probably thinking I am an oppressor who is 12 but I’m not. I am just saying what I see. > What I see in the world is a change, mostly for the worse but the world will still be tolerable. Since women had the right to vote so many changes have been made. Gay rights, equal rights, all of these new laws that are coming out would have never been thought of if women didn’t have the right to vote. > These changes are making the governments of the world fall like the stones of time. These changes are making the straps go down tighter and tighter. One day the people who obey the laws and live under them are going to stop and all anarchy will come to follow. > > ``` > The 18th man.Grimeye187 ** > > ``` Is there a debate here or just an apocalyptic misogynistic rant? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/16 "2003-09-06T18:06:40Z")
Yep, you found us out. It’s all a conspiracy. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![sickboy51](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@sickboy51](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sickboy51)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/17 "2003-09-06T18:07:55Z")
I don´t know anywhere else, but in Spain anarchist´s flag is red an blcak, like, say… This -\> |/| Being the first triangle red and the second one black. Ah, and for the OP… what´s this all about? … No, seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/18 "2003-09-06T19:32:20Z")
> [@](#): > > from _NoClueBoy_ > Anarchists have a flag? > What is it? A Jackson Pollack painting? A crazy quilt? Tie-dye? How about an Etch-A-Sketch on a stick? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/19 "2003-09-06T19:51:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grimeye187 \* > **Yes I know your probably thinking I am an oppressor who is 12 but I’m not.** My guess would be around 7 or 8. And by the way, I think each anarchist gets to design his own flag. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860/20 "2003-09-06T21:15:42Z")
**grimeye187** , in the USA women are not even guaranteed equal rights. Just wait until that happens! Be afraid, etc. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-voice/199860.md?page=2)