# Women's World Cup 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-soccer-fifa\ **Created:** [June 30, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333 "2023-06-30T02:44:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/261 "2023-08-08T18:22:04Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > I believe +275 means if you bet $100 on England, you get paid $275 if England wins. Actually, if you bet $100 on England at +275, you win $275 PLUS your original wager. So the total bet payoff would total $375. I just bet $10 on Japan at +450. If I win, my payoff will be $55; $45 for winning the bet and $10 for my original wager. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/262 "2023-08-08T21:16:15Z")
There you go. Now I’m better informed. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/263 "2023-08-09T02:32:10Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Hard to answer without drifting into stereo type but guys typically hit the ball harder and so, while male keepers do cover more of the goal, the girls think they need to shoot closer to the uprights, making it a higher chance of going wide. > > Two penalty options the girls rarely try are the full power blast into top of net above the diving keeper and the chip over the keeper ala “Paneka”. So with less options the goalkeeper has better chances of going the right way and so the shot needs to be wider and higher risk. Also I think the girls are a bit easier to predict. Good penalty takers can shoot either way with either foot. I don’t know how to put it, but I’m uncomfortable with your use of the word “girls” here. It’s demeaning, almost all players in this WC are full grown women and should be respected as that. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/264 "2023-08-09T02:50:11Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > and the chip over the keeper ala “Paneka” Panenka. And it’s not a chip over the keeper, it’s a chip into the spot the keeper has deserted while lunging to the side. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/265 "2023-08-09T03:02:21Z")
The Panenka, due to its slowness, has been known to backfire at times when the keeper who lunged was _still_ able to get back to the spot in time to bat the ball away. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/266 "2023-08-09T03:04:14Z")
Or the keeper just didn’t move, easily picked the ball with one hand and had the laugh of his life. Of course, the first “Panenka” worked, but that didn’t last forever, the surprise was spent. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/267 "2023-08-09T03:26:16Z")
Though in fairness, most or all of the great players have tried at least one, and Messi has successfully done at least a couple in UCL play. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/268 "2023-08-09T08:11:20Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > These odds are sometimes skewed by the likelihood of betting. Who is betting? People like to bet on their home team or favourite. And the English like to gamble on soccers. That seems most likely, although I wouldn’t be as quick to dismiss England as some here. They haven’t excelled yet but they are certainly capable of doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/269 "2023-08-09T13:57:48Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Hard to answer without drifting into stereo type but guys typically hit the ball harder and so, while male keepers do cover more of the goal, the girls think they need to shoot closer to the uprights, making it a higher chance of going wide. > > Two penalty options the girls rarely try are the full power blast into top of net above the diving keeper and the chip over the keeper ala “Paneka”. So with less options the goalkeeper has better chances of going the right way and so the shot needs to be wider and higher risk. Also I think the girls are a bit easier to predict. Good penalty takers can shoot either way with either foot. > [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I don’t know how to put it, but I’m uncomfortable with your use of the word “girls” here. It’s demeaning, almost all players in this WC are full grown women and should be respected as that. Seconded. If you’re going to use the term “girls” then you should be using “boys” as well. Which you did not. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/270 "2023-08-09T20:43:01Z")
Off-topic tangent, but if a soccer team jumps out to a big early lead and plays keep-away ball for the 2nd half, such as just passing the ball between players with no further attempt to score, is that considered good strategy or poor sportsmanship? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/271 "2023-08-09T20:51:00Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > is that considered good strategy or poor sportsmanship? I would consider it good strategy. You play to win the game. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/272 "2023-08-09T20:51:24Z")
Good strategy if it works. Not unsporting at all. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/273 "2023-08-09T20:58:27Z")
I see, thanks. Because I’d read it was considered ‘disrespectful’ by some (although it’s getting harder and harder to see what is respectful and not these days.) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/274 "2023-08-09T21:42:09Z")
I’d be curious where you read that. It’s not a take I’ve seen before. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/275 "2023-08-09T21:53:27Z")
I’ve been following English league and international soccer since the 1970s and have not ever heard “parking the bus” to be considered unsporting. Now two teams playing out a draw when they’d both be guaranteed promotion to the old first division with a point might be a different story. I think I remember something like that happening in the 1980s, but can’t remember the specifics. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/276 "2023-08-09T22:27:32Z")
I’m sure there are league specific examples out there, but [The Disgrace of Gijon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gij%C3%B3n) is the usual cited example I see. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/277 "2023-08-09T23:08:07Z")
In recreational matches, a big lead followed by uninspiring passabouts might seem unsporting. Possibly less so these days. The alternative might be to increase the lead, which also might invite criticism. However, in qualifying play things like goal differentials might matter a lot. So you see teams like Vietnam, doing their valiant best, but the final score is not always close. People will have different opinions. Their opponents haven’t held back. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/278 "2023-08-09T23:41:09Z")
They may not be holding back as much to not score as to not get injuries or yellow cards. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/279 "2023-08-10T01:27:21Z")
This is a disgrace because they colluded, not the manner in which they colluded. My take on the question is that potentially it could be disrespectful if the better team was much much better and the keep away was show-boaty. The question might get raised in huge blowouts like the US vs Thailand last go around. People complain about the goals and suggest that the attacking team should basically stop trying to score. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/280 "2023-08-10T01:46:48Z")
It is also why you will have substitutions toward the end of the game that serve no purpose other than to rest a star player. If it does not look like the opposing team can make any kind of a comeback, there is no point in having your best players keep running around the field. `//i\\` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333.md?page=15)