# Women's World Cup 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-soccer-fifa\ **Created:** [June 30, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333 "2023-06-30T02:44:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/421 "2023-08-25T20:46:55Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > 81 women, including the entire winning team, say they’re not coming back under current leadership. Excellent, a strike is the best thing they can do. Maybe players from other nations can join the strike to force FIFA and UEFA to sanction that pig. (or better, the male Spanish national team. I know, not realistic, but one can dream) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/422 "2023-08-26T10:54:12Z")
[Now the Spanish Football Federation is going to take legal action against Jenni Hermosa.](https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66626410)Why are they backing him so strongly? Or is it obvious? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/423 "2023-08-26T11:59:29Z")
Do they have evidence supporting his side of the story? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/424 "2023-08-26T12:09:58Z")
All they’ve said thus far is that she’s lying. From what I’ve read , part of their evidence seems to be that she lifted him up. Which to me means nothing-she was happy and lifted him, and then he kissed her? I’ve seen pictures that seem to show him with his feet off the ground, but she says she did not lift him. All of which has nothing to do with the kiss, of course. **“Rubiales also told the assembly, that Hermoso “lifted me up” in a celebratory gesture, and he asked her for “a little kiss?” and she “said yes”** So the lift could be true and the permission for the kiss a lie from him. Or maybe she thought he was gonna do a little cheek kiss? And he’s calling the whole thing a “witch hunt.” Personally, just the way he grabs her head when he kisses her is creepy and makes me doubt his story. Subjective, I know. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/425 "2023-08-26T12:12:46Z")
Need two upright male witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/426 "2023-08-26T12:53:48Z")
Asking for a kiss isn’t appropriate either. He’s the soccer president. Saying no can have negative consequences since he has control over whether she plays or not. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/427 "2023-08-26T13:07:21Z")
I looked back further, and _The Athletic_ reported that until four years ago, there was a rule from the top that players were not permitted to lock the doors of their hotel rooms at night on international duty until the manager had come over and checked everything. That sounds super-weird. [And there was another story about him seeming to grab a female coach’s chest.](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/jorge-vilda-spain-grope-controversy-world-cup-b2397704.html) That one seems to have been overshadowed by the kiss. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/428 "2023-08-26T13:55:43Z")
Machismo is a thing in many countries, and the assembly might regrettably view this differently from the affected player and her team. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/429 "2023-08-26T13:57:40Z")
He gave a speech to them where he said he wouldn’t resign and got applause, so yes. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/430 "2023-08-26T13:59:18Z")
But there is progress, as FIFA has provisionally suspended him. [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/26/world/europe/soccer-spain-luis-ruiables-jennifer-hermoso-kiss.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/26/world/europe/soccer-spain-luis-ruiables-jennifer-hermoso-kiss.html) **The Washington Post writes (see link)** _FIFA on Saturday provisionally suspended the president of Spain’s soccer federation after he kissed a player following Spain’s World Cup final win over England._ _The sport’s governing body [said] that Luis Rubiales, who has [refused to resign] despite international outrage over the incident, would be barred from all football-related activities at a national and international level for an initial period of 90 days. The organization [announced disciplinary action] against Rubiales on Thursday._ > **[FIFA provisionally suspends Spanish soccer official Luis Rubiales](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/08/26/fifa-suspends-luis-rubiales/)** > > Spanish soccer federation president Luis Rubiales will be suspended for an initial period of 90 days, FIFA said in a statement Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/431 "2023-08-26T14:08:06Z")
Yeah, the photo screams consent…🙄 [![](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/90138d14537324d3ee025e7e997ede7ce21c94cf/292_501_3216_1930/master/3216.jpg?width=465&dpr=2&s=none) ](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/90138d14537324d3ee025e7e997ede7ce21c94cf/292_501_3216_1930/master/3216.jpg?width=465&dpr=2&s=none) ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/432 "2023-08-26T14:08:54Z")
Really didn’t need to see that again. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/433 "2023-08-26T14:10:11Z")
Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/434 "2023-08-26T15:53:10Z")
Vilda’s entire staff just quit. > ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/435 "2023-08-26T16:38:16Z")
Let’s see if anyone else stands with them. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/436 "2023-08-28T13:19:03Z")
Spanish Coach Grateful That the Other Guy Is in Bigger Trouble Than He Is. > **[Spain coach condemns FA chief after staff resign](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38269525/spain-coach-jorge-vilda-slams-luis-rubiales-inappropriate-hermoso-kiss)** > > Spain coach Jorge Vilda hit out at Luis Rubiales for his "improper behaviour" following his unsolicited kiss of Jenni Hermoso. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/437 "2023-08-28T15:49:01Z")
Rubiales’ mom is on a hunger strike to support her son. Yay for maternal love, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/438 "2023-08-28T15:52:30Z")
Not just on a hunger strike, but she locked herself in a church to perform said hunger strike. You could not make this up. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/439 "2023-08-28T15:53:14Z")
Wow, I missed that detail. Very old-timey. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333/440 "2023-08-28T15:57:01Z")
If Rubiales had a lick of decency, he would tell his mother to stop that nonsense. But of course everything he did and said in this affair shows that he hasn’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/womens-world-cup-2023/986333.md?page=23)