# Wonder Woman 1984 (WW84) Seen it \[Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [December 26, 2020, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928 "2020-12-26T02:39:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/61 "2020-12-27T02:14:22Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Again, though, I think we’ve now put more thought into this than the screenwriters did. This script should not have gone into production. Certainly the studio could have read it and said, “Hey, so why can’t Chris Pine just appear when she wishes for him? Why does he have to come back in some random guy’s body? When he disappears later from wish canceling, it will be so powerful when he disappears!” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/62 "2020-12-27T02:16:23Z")
We are right near the end now. Did she just electrocute the main female-villain? Why doesn’t that affect Wonder Woman? Because she is stronger? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/63 "2020-12-27T02:19:03Z")
She can swing from lightning or something dumb like that. Isn’t she Zeus’s daughter? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/64 "2020-12-27T02:19:22Z")
Well, she is Zeus’ daughter. In the first movie, in the climactic fight with Ares, she seems to be able to channel lightning. It actually seems consistent that she could channel the electricity instead of being electrocuted. But, yeah, that could definitely be a _lot_ clearer in the movie. Like just about everything else… ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/65 "2020-12-27T02:40:34Z")
So, Josh Gates had this to say, which I think is a pretty good summary: > ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/66 "2020-12-27T02:41:46Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@gdave](#): > > > > The Smithsonian keeps display aircraft out on the tarmac, flight ready, and _fully fueled_ ? And a two seat jet trainer has enough fuel to fly directly from Washington, D.C. to Cairo? _And back_ ? > > Is that where they got the plane? My wife and I are watching it now and we though it was an airport. But still, Chris Pine was one step away from pulling the visor down and finding keys. > > And he can fly this thing? Yes. Why wouldn’t a WWI biplane pilot be able to fly an jet? Just because the technology was invented 30 years after he died? It’s like riding a bicycle. And then applying those skills to riding a Ducati racing motorcycle. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/67 "2020-12-27T02:45:34Z")
OK, we are done. It actually has some great work in it, but that script is so terrible, no one can save it without a major rewrite, which it obviously did not get. Patty Jenkins did a good job making the movie from the script she had(and sadly, helped write). Pedro Pascal is in a good movie. I mean, the movie he filmed seemed fine. He gave a great performance and everything he is in is working. I could see him leaving the set figuring the movie is going to turn out pretty good. Hey, his part was fine. The rest is a huge mess. Honestly, kind of embarrassing in parts. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/68 "2020-12-27T02:49:44Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > Yeah, that was not particularly good. The writing just got lazier and lazier as the movie went on. The ultimate evil plan was a ridiculous contrivance. And let’s just say the resolution was more than a tad optimistic given the current state of the world (okay, that’s not entirely their fault). It was an okay watch for the evening, but I’m glad I didn’t pay for a theater ticket. Not just the writing. The soundtrack got pretty lazy too. Like when whoever decided instead of having Hans Zimmer create another one of his iconic movie themes at a pivotal moment of character development, let’s just toss in John Murphy’s Adagio in D Minor from the ‘Sunshine’ soundtrack. [Wonder Woman 1984 Soundtrack | Diana Flight Music | (John Murphy - Sunshine) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oudmlrJUsIQ) ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/69 "2020-12-27T03:03:41Z")
At the end when Lord’s character cancels his wish and goes to find his son, Alistair, and his son tell’s him that everything was okay because he would love him no matter what because he was his dad…I kept thinking that Lord was going “Damn it!!!, I didn’t need to cancel my wish, I just should have come and found the kid!” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/70 "2020-12-27T03:13:39Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > [Wonder Woman 1984 Soundtrack | Diana Flight Music | (John Murphy - Sunshine) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oudmlrJUsIQ) Great theme, I didn’t know the original piano part. I told my wife during this theme, “The composer showed up to work. Shame the music is being wasted on an ineffective moment in movies.” Funny thing is, I didn’t much like Sunshine the one time I saw it, either. Edit: I just realized all of it was from another movie, not just the piano portion. I guess they just licensed it for this movie instead of making something new. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/71 "2020-12-27T03:25:02Z")
I’m about 90 minutes in and wondering if I’ll make it to the end or just give up and read this thread. My thought process right now is, “Good Lord, I have another _hour_ of this shit to watch?!?” It’s so incoherent. BTW, I thought early on that the Wiig character might actually be crushing on Diana, like romantically, which would have been pretty neat, original and unexpected, therefore was never going to happen. PS: I signed up today and HBOMax’s web player is lame as hell: no way to skip forward/backward/adjust volume with the keyboard, and what the hell is with the movie volume being so low? I have to turn up my speakers to like 90% to even hear the dialog. If another app beeps it might shatter my monitor. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/72 "2020-12-27T03:36:28Z")
Heh well now I feel silly. That was the track that I would have bet money was from Inception. I knew I had heard it before though! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/73 "2020-12-27T03:51:25Z")
OK, I’m just skipping around now. Looks like this got pretty Lathe of Heaven or something. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/74 "2020-12-27T05:37:00Z")
> **[The Lathe of Heaven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lathe_of_Heaven)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > The Lathe of Heaven is a 1971 science fiction novel by American writer Ursula K. Le Guin. The plot concerns a character whose dreams alter past and present reality. The story was serialized in the American science fiction magazine Amazing Stories. The novel received nominations for the 1972 Hugo and the 1971 Nebula Award, and won the Locus Award for Best Novel in 1972. Two television film adaptations were released: the PBS production, The Lat... ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/75 "2020-12-27T13:04:05Z")
Sucked donkey balls. Gal Godot was abysmal. Last movie she needed Chris Pine to carry her, this movie she needed him, Wiig, and Pedro Pascal, and it still wasn’t enough. Silly plot, uneven direction, lacking anything resembling proper editing. I hope Patty Jenkins re-discovers the film-making talent that brought _Monster_ and the original _Wonder Woman_ to our screens, otherwise, I am worried for Rogue Squadron. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/76 "2020-12-27T13:54:04Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > BTW, I thought early on that the Wiig character might actually be crushing on Diana, like romantically, which would have been pretty neat, original and unexpected, therefore was never going to happen. I actually thought it was mutual. Diana seemed actively jealous of Max Lord when she found him flirting with Barbara. But then the movie just kind of forgot about it. Just like Barbara and Max went from flirting to making out in her office, and then…both characters seemed to just forget it. I get that Max was just using Barbara to get to the Wishstone, but Barbara just also seemed to forget about the whole the next time they met. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/77 "2020-12-27T14:21:01Z")
The Lathe of Heaven was a much better movie. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/78 "2020-12-27T14:27:23Z")
I added a poll into the Op; to rate this movie. Please check it out and vote. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/79 "2020-12-27T15:01:47Z")
I felt it lacked the overwhelmingness (is that a word? It is now!) of the theatrical experience, which made the problems with the movie… and, really, most superhero films… obvious from the outset. In the theater, everything is bigger and larger and louder than life, you don’t recognize the obvious plot holes and silly characters because the movie never stops (unlike at home, where you can rewind to that part which you had questions about), you don’t get a chance to pause and ask ‘does this make sense’, and you definitely don’t get that post-theatrical ‘glow’ which comes with the movie theater experience. In short, had it been a theatrical release, the above 75+ posts would be more positive. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928/80 "2020-12-27T15:13:22Z")
nope - we didn’t pause or rewind - had several family members all watching it - sound system, 75" TV, etc - and the movie still sucks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-1984-ww84-seen-it-spoilers/928928.md?page=5)