# Wonder Woman - Seen it (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918 "2017-06-02T06:26:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/241 "2017-06-17T14:37:43Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Well, first of all, they weren’t Nazis. On [the contrary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff#Political_career) ma’am. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/242 "2017-06-17T16:48:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Robert Redford in _Winter Soldier_? > > I disagree with making Steve Trevor more sexist. There’s already plenty of sexists in the movie as is; let Diana have at least one actual friend in the world who doesn’t look down on her because she has boobs. I also would be worried about it turning the movie from being about Wonder Woman, to being about how Wonder Woman makes Steve a better person. And politically, I think it was also smart to make sure the “first feminist superhero movie” doesn’t portray all men as scumbags, thus avoiding the “feminism means man hating” fallacy that’s still a major part of our social discourse. Funny enough, [the script that Joss Whedon wrote for a Wonder Woman movie 10 years ago recently leaked](https://www.themarysue.com/joss-whedon-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-script/), and it’s more like that, with it focused more on Steve, and Diana facing more sexism, and it’s not good to say the least. It is a first draft, and I’m guessing some of the stuff is from studio notes/suggestions, but reading the excerpts made me very glad that movie wasn’t made and that the actual movie took a very different tack. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/243 "2017-06-19T00:55:20Z")
What helped take me out of the movie for a while is the idea that the new gas was a sulfur mustard with the sulfur replaced with hydrogen. Mustard compounds, hydrogen, and basic organic chemistry all do not work that way. ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/244 "2017-06-23T23:53:31Z")
My random thoughts: Wonder Woman is supposed to be the perfect woman. She’s 6-7 feet tall (depending on the artist). She’s the most beautiful woman alive. She’s super-strong and nearly invulnerable, etc. She is very wise and feminine and strong and gentle and supremely moral. SHE IS AN ICON. There was some controversy over the casting of Gal Gadot in the role. Apparently she’s too skinny or not muscular enough or too short or too Israeli or some such nonsense. I was originally a bit undecided, but I can now say, with all force and confidence, that she was terrific! By the time she smiled the first time, I could buy her as the Most Beautiful Woman Ever. But the STRENGTH she put forward was quite convincing. Ms. Gadot has put her stamp of the character. This version of Diane suits me fine. She’s not the beloved Wise Princess just yet, but she’s growing into it. Her belief in the base goodness of mankind is challenged but ultimately rewarded. She’s headstrong and willing to kick butt where necessary. There were many moments (I lost count) where I got choked up by how proud I was of the characters (mostly WW, but Cpt. Trevor and the Howling DC Commandos as well). It’s the same feeling I got in the first Avengers movie, where NYC is under siege, and the Avengers Assemble and are ready to fix everything, while the camera pans around them. I liked especially when Diana stood up to the crusty old British doofballs and accused them of cowardice – “You should be ashamed of yourselves!” Yes, exactly. Another such moment was at No-Man’s Land, when she ignored Steve’s advice to take cover and just strolled over to the (stinking) Germans and weathered their fire and kicked ass all over. The rest of the soldiers were inspired to do the same. WONDER WOMAN IS A HERO!!! Then they saved the town. Nice job on the bell-tower sniper. Steve’s sacrifice at the end was handled well. He proved his heroism with the ultimate sacrifice. And the filmmakers didn’t cop out by having him eject and parachute away. It’s too bad the Greek gods got killed off. That removes some pretty good story possibilities. Etta Candy was awesome! More of her, please. The fight choreography and CGI was excellent. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/245 "2017-06-24T16:57:22Z")
> [@Albert\_Rose](#): > > Then they saved the town. Nice job on the bell-tower sniper. If I were a movie sniper, no way would I pick the bell tower to snipe from. I’d stick with trees in a forest. They always pick the only tall structure in town, making it obvious where they are, then are surprised to get blown out of the sky. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/246 "2017-06-24T17:37:49Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > If I were a movie sniper, no way would I pick the bell tower to snipe from. I’d stick with trees in a forest. They always pick the only tall structure in town, making it obvious where they are, then are surprised to get blown out of the sky. If a sniper is out working by himself, then sure, he should look for a place to hide. But if he’s supporting a larger unit? He should definitely take the highest point available. Or to be more precise - infantry should always try to hold points where they can control the battle; and if you’re holding such a point, then why not put a sniper there? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/247 "2017-06-24T17:40:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > If a sniper is out working by himself, then sure, he should look for a place to hide. But if he’s supporting a larger unit? He should definitely take the highest point available. Or to be more precise - infantry should always try to hold points where they can control the battle; and if you’re holding such a point, then why not put a sniper there? I said if I were a _movie_ sniper. Because they sure as shit get blown out of that bell tower 100% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/248 "2017-06-24T17:44:22Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I said if I were a _movie_ sniper. Because they sure as shit get blown out of that bell tower 100% of the time. Hell, the last thing I’d like to be in a movie is a \*German \*sniper in general - those guys have a 100% mortality rate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/249 "2017-06-24T18:43:27Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I said if I were a _movie_ sniper. Because they sure as shit get blown out of that bell tower 100% of the time. Well, there’s INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/250 "2017-06-25T15:13:09Z")
Went to see it again. Movie still holds up. I really like it. My friend liked it but she said would have preferred an entire movie set on Themyscira as that was her favorite part but she also did like Chris Pine a lot too. Also, a little surprising to me, the theater was nearly full almost a month in release. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/251 "2017-06-25T18:07:16Z")
No invisible plane, and no telepathic control of her magic lasso? Maybe they’re saving those for the sequel. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/252 "2017-06-25T18:55:35Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > No invisible plane, and no telepathic control of her magic lasso? > > Maybe they’re saving those for the sequel. The invisible plane always looked dumb anyway, even in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/253 "2017-06-25T19:41:56Z")
An invisible jet would have been quite the game changer in WWI. Take THAT, Red Baron! I would have liked seeing them try and make an invisible biplane work, though. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/254 "2017-06-25T20:12:48Z")
The recent soft reboot of Wonder Woman in the comics (Rebirth) had a good take on both the Invisible Jet and WW’s star spangled costume. In the story the invisible jet was Steve Trevor’s jet which the Amazons rebuilt and covered with plating that rendered it invisible to use to return him to Civilization and the design of her costume was based on the American regalia they found on his uniform and plane. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/255 "2017-06-25T21:26:11Z")
How about an invisible costume? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/256 "2017-06-25T23:06:08Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > An invisible jet would have been quite the game changer in WWI. Take THAT, Red Baron! > > I would have liked seeing them try and make an invisible biplane work, though. In the first or second Wonder Woman comic ever published, when her invisible plane was first introduced, it had a **propeller** on its nose. This was in early-to-mid-World-War-2, so the readers expected planes to have propellers back then. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/257 "2017-06-26T00:25:57Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > How about an invisible costume? For Steve Trevor? 😉 I’m all for that. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/258 "2017-06-26T02:18:40Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > No invisible plane, and no telepathic control of her magic lasso? > > Maybe they’re saving those for the sequel. No kangas, either. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/259 "2017-06-26T14:06:16Z")
I could have sworn I saw the invisible kangaroo several times. Overall a very well done movie. I especially loved the part where she was trying on clothes and kept trying to fight in the outfits. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/260 "2017-06-26T14:17:38Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I especially loved the part where she was trying on clothes and kept trying to fight in the outfits. And, as some folks have noted, that bit impliedly lets the filmmakers deflect criticism about WW’s costume: is it sexist that guys are paying to watch a leggy woman leap around clad in little more than a swimsuit top and a skimpy loincloth? No, because she’s rejecting the patriarchy to wear freely-windmill-her-limbs stuff for the win! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918.md?page=14)