# Wonder Woman - Seen it (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918 "2017-06-02T06:26:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/41 "2017-06-04T17:20:08Z")
Definitely jumping, in my humble opinion. And also the least effective special ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/42 "2017-06-04T17:25:16Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I assumed jumping of the “Leaps tall buildings in a single bound” early Superman style. Close to flying but not actual flying. I’m in no way familiar with WW besides invisible jets and Lynda Carter though so I don’t know what her current flying status is. In current comics, she’s got [full on Superman-style flight powers](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ef/1f/11/ef1f1124cbf06b4713c2bd255a8a384e.jpg), although she’s not nearly as fast as he is. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/43 "2017-06-04T17:28:36Z")
I have a problem with the secondary cast of characters: The Merry Band of Cross-Cultural Companions. Why were they there? Did they actually _do_ anything? The one time they could actually use a marksman, only to discover that they brought along a sniper who can’t snipe. Dr Poison. Much dramatic build-up – ooooh, disfigured! Mask! Completely evil! But she gets no back story, no dramatic demise (she could’ve been squished by the tank that WW threw at her but apparently missed). She could’ve had a dramatic monologue, but spends her big moment staring pensively into the fire. WTF. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/44 "2017-06-04T17:55:53Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The Merry Band of Cross-Cultural Companions. Why were they there? Did they actually _do_ anything? The Native American guy tracks down Leutendorf’s position after the gas attack on the village, and lights a signal fire to draw Diana to the location. The three of them together also blow up the gas factory while Diana’s fighting Ares. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/45 "2017-06-04T18:05:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The Native American guy tracks down Leutendorf’s position after the gas attack on the village, and lights a signal fire to draw Diana to the location. The three of them together also blow up the gas factory while Diana’s fighting Ares. Right…forgot about that. But speaking of which: wouldn’t blowing up the poison gas factory have showered the environs with…poison gas? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/46 "2017-06-04T18:19:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Right…forgot about that. But speaking of which: wouldn’t blowing up the poison gas factory have showered the environs with…poison gas? It was a hydrogen based gas. The explosion that took out the factory was the gas itself combusting, so there wouldn’t be much left to poison anyone nearby. That said, if the gas was so flammable Steve could take out a planeload of it with a single revolver bullet, you’d think a squad of Sopwiths firing tracers into that prototype bomber would do the same trick, with no worry about a crashed plane leaking poison gas all over the London suburbs. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/47 "2017-06-04T19:24:12Z")
Ares calls Diana “sister” but I assume that Diana is not literally Artemis in the same way that Ares is, well, Ares. Is she a demigod in the sense of Hercules? Flying (or even super-duper jumping) would have come in handy when retrieving the shield and Not-Really-The-Godslayer sword. I’m guessing her powers are steadily growing as she gets motivated? She was happily surprised to see that she could break stone with her fingers at first and by the end she’s lifting tanks and flying and stuff. In a sense, it’s okay that Dr. Poison wasn’t anything “super”. She’s just a smart and dedicated woman obsessed with poisons and gases (and made more so by the influence of Ares). She doesn’t necessarily need a monologue or show-down and I’d be quiet and subdued as well if a couple people were throwing fire and tanks around by me. On the other hand, if you’re going to wear a mask in a superhero movie, people are going to expect you to do something mask-worthy. If it wasn’t for that and – as others mentioned – she wasn’t even that horrifically scarred (I think we were all expecting bone or gaping oozing wounds), I think the fact that she was a third-rate player wouldn’t have really stuck out so much. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/48 "2017-06-04T19:29:06Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Ares calls Diana “sister” but I assume that Diana is not literally Artemis in the same way that Ares is, well, Ares. Is she a demigod in the sense of Hercules? They’re both children of Zeus, in one sense or another; so that makes them kind-of siblings ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/49 "2017-06-04T19:30:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It was a hydrogen based gas. The explosion that took out the factory was the gas itself combusting, so there wouldn’t be much left to poison anyone nearby. > > That said, if the gas was so flammable Steve could take out a planeload of it with a single revolver bullet, you’d think a squad of Sopwiths firing tracers into that prototype bomber would do the same trick, with no worry about a crashed plane leaking poison gas all over the London suburbs. Or he could have ditched the plane in the Channel (ideally, bailing out or making a semi-soft landing) with no explosions and needless sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/50 "2017-06-04T22:55:19Z")
I was very happy with this movie. Despite always preferring DC over Marvel in my comic book days, I’ve been mostly unimpressed with DC’s cinematic efforts. I didn’t care for _The Dark Knight_, as I’m not a fan of “grimdark”, so I didn’t bother with the next two Batman movies. _Man of Steel_ pissed me off so much that I couldn’t find any motivation to see _BvS_. Green Lantern was always my favorite character and the movie … uh, yeah. No. I took a chance on _Suicide Squad_ and left disappointed. But they got this one right. This movie got the character _right_. It got her so right that I have renewed hope for the upcoming Justice League movie. One thing that occurred to me just today - unless I missed it, I don’t think the name, “Wonder Woman”, was used anywhere in the movie outside of the titles and credits. I don’t recall her ever being called anything but “Diana”. Not even a humorous use, like, “she’s a wonder, that woman!” ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/51 "2017-06-04T23:17:34Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > One thing that occurred to me just today - unless I missed it, I don’t think the name, “Wonder Woman”, was used anywhere in the movie outside of the titles and credits. I don’t recall her ever being called anything but “Diana”. Not even a humorous use, like, “she’s a wonder, that woman!” You didn’t miss it. They never did. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/52 "2017-06-05T00:20:43Z")
Something else that occurred to me. If Diana does any more heroics between WWI and the modern day (which I’m sure she does) they have to be in secret since no one in BvS has heard of her. That also means the story of what she did in this movie did not travel far, which, as I am typing this makes me realize why it makes sense that poor village got murdered. If that village had survived the war, surly the story of how they were saved would become news eventually. Why Diana feels the need to keep undercover is an interesting story in and of itself, Maybe that will be her sequel. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/53 "2017-06-05T01:49:51Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Something else that occurred to me. If Diana does any more heroics between WWI and the modern day (which I’m sure she does) they have to be in secret since no one in BvS has heard of her. That also means the story of what she did in this movie did not travel far, which, as I am typing this makes me realize why it makes sense that poor village got murdered. If that village had survived the war, surly the story of how they were saved would become news eventually. > > Why Diana feels the need to keep undercover is an interesting story in and of itself, Maybe that will be her sequel. You know that photographic plate that she was placing in the protective briefcase at the end? And the e-mail she was sending to thank someone for it? The e-mail was addressed to Bruce Wayne. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/54 "2017-06-05T02:52:56Z")
Plus she was in Batman vs Superman. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/55 "2017-06-05T09:44:51Z")
Just how old is Diana in 1918, how old was she when she was played by a young girl, and by a teenager, how old is Hippolyta? How much of the outside world do the Amazons know about? Diana knew perfect 20th century English, German and Spanish, but the Amazons didn’t seem to know anything about the war. As far as I could tell the Amazons aggressively slaughtered a group of men who happened to find their island. It turns out they were in indirect service to a greater evil but it seemed they had no way of knowing that, and they attacked first. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/56 "2017-06-05T10:06:32Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > It turns out they (the Germans) were in indirect service to a greater evil but it seemed they (the Amazons) had no way of knowing that, and they (the Amazons) attacked first. Fixing a few confusing "they"s ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/57 "2017-06-05T10:22:15Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > One thing that occurred to me just today - unless I missed it, I don’t think the name, “Wonder Woman”, was used anywhere in the movie outside of the titles and credits. I don’t recall her ever being called anything but “Diana”. Not even a humorous use, like, “she’s a wonder, that woman!” It’s actually a trope;[Comic Book movies don’t use codenames.](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookMoviesDontUseCodenames) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/58 "2017-06-05T11:22:59Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > How much of the outside world do the Amazons know about? Diana knew perfect 20th century English, German and Spanish, but the Amazons didn’t seem to know anything about the war. I’m assuming that understanding languages is some form of a gift from the gods, although Diana did have a number associated with it (200 and something?). > [@](#): > > As far as I could tell the Amazons aggressively slaughtered a group of men who happened to find their island. It turns out they were in indirect service to a greater evil but it seemed they had no way of knowing that, and they attacked first. I hadn’t actually considered this. However, the Amazons were constantly training for (primitive) war, so being on a hair trigger makes sense. And a friendly envoy would have not brought five or six boats of soldiers with them. But, yeah, the initial full assault seems a bit over the top. And, of course, Trevor was arguably in more direct (albeit unknowing) service to the big bad. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/59 "2017-06-05T12:33:56Z")
Mr Shine asks: \> Just how old is Diana in 1918, how old was she when she was played by a young girl, \> and by a teenager, how old is Hippolyta? According to the IMDb, the credits says that in the earliest scenes that she was 8 and then she was 12 in the next scenes: > **[Wonder Woman (2017) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451279/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast)** > > Wonder Woman (2017) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. Gal Gadot is now 32. Connie Nielsen (Hippolyta) and Robin Wright (Antiope) are both 51. What age their characters are supposed to be is a different question, of course. Chris Pine is 36, incidentally. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/60 "2017-06-05T12:46:43Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > Mr Shine asks: > > \> Just how old is Diana in 1918, how old was she when she was played by a young girl, > \> and by a teenager, how old is Hippolyta? > > According to the IMDb, the credits says that in the earliest scenes that she was 8 and then she was 12 in the next scenes: > > [Wonder Woman (2017) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451279/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast) > > Gal Gadot is now 32. Connie Nielsen (Hippolyta) and Robin Wright (Antiope) are both 51. What age their characters are supposed to be is a different question, of course. Chris Pine is 36, incidentally. According to an unattributed statement on Wikipedia, Diana is 5000 years old. So Diana grew normally up to the age of 30, and then spent 5000 years looking like Gal Godot? The first 2 scenes were just a tiny blip in the sea of her life? That also raises the question of why she looks so much younger now than Hippolyta and Antiope looked 5000 years ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918.md?page=4)