# Wonder Woman - Seen it (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918 "2017-06-02T06:26:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/61 "2017-06-05T13:13:11Z")
You’re asking for consistency from a comic book story? Nobody really has a consistent story on how the Amazons age. There have been many versions of the story already, so they can use any of a number of excuses for the weird aging. The comic book has a convoluted origin too: > **[Wonder Woman's True Age Explained by Director Patty Jenkins](https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-age-director-patty-jenkins/)** > > Patty Jenkins explains why the film is a proper 'coming of age' story. > **[Wonder Woman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman)** > > Wonder Woman is a superhero created by the American psychologist and writer William Moulton Marston (pen name: Charles Moulton), and artist Harry G. Peter for DC Comics and one of the three main protagonists (alongside Batman and Superman) of the DC Universe. Marston's wife, Elizabeth, and their life partner, Olive Byrne, are credited as being his inspiration for the character's appearance. > Wonder Woman appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character is a founding member ... > **[The Surprising Origin Story of Wonder Woman](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/origin-story-wonder-woman-180952710/)** > > The history of the comic-book superhero's creation seven decades ago has been hidden away—until now ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/62 "2017-06-05T13:22:02Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > You know that photographic plate that she was placing in the protective briefcase at the end? And the e-mail she was sending to thank someone for it? > > The e-mail was addressed to Bruce Wayne. I meant in Batman v Superman neither one of them had heard of her when she showed up. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/63 "2017-06-05T14:06:13Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > As far as I could tell the Amazons aggressively slaughtered a group of men who happened to find their island. It turns out they were in indirect service to a greater evil but it seemed they had no way of knowing that, and they attacked first. The soldiers were coming after Diana who was princess, golden child and divinely created god-weapon of the Amazons. It’s not unsurprising that they’d shoot first and ask questions later. Perhaps if they just saw the soldiers come onto an empty beach they would have acted with less aggressive haste. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/64 "2017-06-05T14:11:53Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > This really wasn’t clear, but I don’t think that Ares (in his British politician role) was pushing for an armistice because he actually intended for the war to end. I think the idea was that Dr. Poison and General…von Evil’s gas attack would seem _extra_ horrific if it came just when everyone _thought_ the war was about to end, and that this would make the British even more determined to keep fighting and never accept peace with Germany. This certainly could have been explained better, though. > Maybe that’s what the movie was going for, but it really didn’t seem that way to me. It’s my recollection that the Germans seemed relieved and friendly after Ares died, not frightened and awed. > > Since I did think the movie was overall pretty good, I feel I should mention something about it I liked. The movie stars a beautiful woman wearing a fairly revealing costume – it would be difficult to make a movie about a character who was recognizable as Wonder Woman were this not the case – but manages not to get all cheesecake-y about it. I personally would have liked to see some slightly more practical-looking costumes on Diana and the Amazons, but at least it didn’t seem like they were being leered at by the camera. It also amused me that it _wasn’t_ the beautiful Diana who wound up trying to flirt with a villain to get information, it was instead the handsome Steve Trevor. > > Thinking of clothing, this is totally nitpicky but it bothered me a little that we didn’t see how Diana got that evening gown from the party guest. IIRC we just see them encounter each other in the woods and then Diana is next shown already all dressed up. It seems unlikely that the other woman would willingly swap her fancy gown for Diana’s cloak, and Diana seemed way too moral to resort to threats or trickery. Regarding the clothing thing. I think the point was made about Diana’s skimpy fighting costume when they tried to put modern clothing on her. Think back to the try-on montage – everything they put on her, she had to test to see if she could fight and kick in it. She knew she’d need full range of motion and women’s clothing at that time was super constrictive. I thought back to my own experience with pole fitness when people would ask me, “Why do you have to do that in a bikini?” Well, because I need a lot of skin exposed because for a lot of the moves, I am only holding on to the pole by friction & surface tension: I need my skin touching the pole! I immediately related that to Diana’s try-on montage. “Can I do this in this skirt?” Nope. Better try something else. I did, however, have a minor nitpick with the wedge heels. Really? Now wedge heels would be the best choice for fighting if you’re going to wear heels at all, but back on her island, they all wore flat gladiator sandals. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/65 "2017-06-05T14:34:52Z")
There was a brief humorous scene in London in which Diana handed her shield and sword to Etta Candy, who then struggled with how to deal with them. My first thought was, “Didn’t Diana have a scabbard for the sword (and perhaps a strap for the shield)?” My second thought was whether she would hand over such valuable tools to someone she had only just met. (And Etta didn’t even keep up with them, so as far as Diana knew, they could have been stolen from Etta.) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/66 "2017-06-05T14:45:25Z")
I don’t think she had a scabbard. As displayed in the tower it didn’t have one and she just grabbed them and scooted. She seemed to keep is slung bare on her back. [Here’s an image](http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wonder-woman-diana-in-the-trenches.jpg) but I don’t imagine there’s a lot of good images of her back available yet. Aside from it’s “Godslayer” moniker being a load of hooey, they also told Diana that it could only be wielded by a special person. But Etta pointed it threateningly at the Bad Guy in the alley if I’m remembering. Although I chalk that up more to “Amazon General was full of lying”. In fact, I’m not sure if the sword had any special properties at all. The shield at least seems bullet resistant like the bracers. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/67 "2017-06-05T14:50:52Z")
Ah HA! Here’s an image showing it [bare on her back](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/73/0b/14/730b14027d8b0c8d302601dfabab03ba.jpg). I guess she just had some sort of strap with a loop. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/68 "2017-06-05T14:53:26Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I have a problem with the secondary cast of characters: > > The Merry Band of Cross-Cultural Companions. Why were they there? Did they actually _do_ anything? It’s a bit amusing that Chief procures the Fit-For-A-German-Officer car and Sameer does his A-Thousand-Pardons-I-Misplaced-The-Invitation-Pray-Do-Not-Hit-Me schtick, and the combo gets handsome Steve Trevor in place to chat up Doctor Poison – and then right when she’s maybe going to confide in him as hoped, the whole thing falls apart because Diana walks into the room. That said, as badass as WW’s stride across No Man’s Land _starts off,_ she soon gets slowed down and eventually all she can do is stand still while deflecting a ton of incoming fire; what happens to her, at that point, if the Merry Band doesn’t then suddenly get into the headshots-against-the-distracted business? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/69 "2017-06-05T15:14:52Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The soldiers were coming after Diana who was princess, golden child and divinely created god-weapon of the Amazons. It’s not unsurprising that they’d shoot first and ask questions later. Perhaps if they just saw the soldiers come onto an empty beach they would have acted with less aggressive haste. np they were’nt - they weren’t even aware of the island or Diana at that point - they were after Trever - they did not start shooting first, but started as a response due to the amazon’s releasing a lot of flaming arrows in their general direction before they landed. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/70 "2017-06-05T15:26:15Z")
Yes, but Diana was with Trevor. So the Queen and General saw Diana & Trevor on the beach with boatloads of men coming after him (and her). Rather than wait and see if the twenty armed men were friendly towards the princess or not, they fired. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/71 "2017-06-05T15:31:50Z")
> [@simster](#): > > np they were’nt - they weren’t even aware of the island or Diana at that point - they were after Trever - they did not start shooting first, but started as a response due to the amazon’s releasing a lot of flaming arrows in their general direction before they landed. The only bit of info the Amazons had to go on was Steve Trevor telling Diana “those are the bad guys”. Diana seemed to implicitly (preternaturally?) trust Steve. So if Trevor’s words were good enough for Diana, maybe they were good enough for the Amazon leadership – Diana’s immediate kin. Also, the Amazons aren’t exactly peaceniks, are they? I wonder if they are somewhat morally ambiguous at times in the comics? Beyond all that, we’re forced to wave hands and apply Comic Book Logic to the situation 😃 Maybe the Amazons have enough divinity within them to be able to gain information about the world around them (or else, the immediate situation around them) through supernatural means :shrug: So … perhaps _they just knew_ what was up with the Germans aiming to land on their island. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/72 "2017-06-05T15:34:18Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Yes, but Diana was with Trevor. So the Queen and General saw Diana & Trevor on the beach with boatloads of men coming after him (and her). Rather than wait and see if the twenty armed men were friendly towards the princess or not, they fired. Your original quote stated that the army was coming after Diana - while that may have been what the rest of the amazons assumed - they (the army) were after Trevor ‘and nothing else’ at that point. > [@bordelond](#): > > The only bit of info the Amazons had to go on was Steve Trevor telling Diana “those are the bad guys”. Diana seemed to implicitly (preternaturally?) trust Steve. So if Trevor’s words were good enough for Diana, maybe they were good enough for the Amazon leadership – Diana’s immediate kin. Which - unless I missed a scene - only Diana knew what Steve said at that point. Therefore - the Amazons started the skirmish on the beach - not the Germans. not that it truly matters - the Amazons had been preparing for an attack for, what, centuries?of course they assumed this was that attack and responded in kind. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/73 "2017-06-05T15:46:22Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Your original quote stated that the army was coming after Diana - while that may have been what the rest of the amazons assumed - they (the army) were after Trevor ‘and nothing else’ at that point. Apparently the Women in Charge weren’t really interested in waiting to see how that played out. Yeah, I originally said “Diana” because that’s how the WiC would have seen it. Call it Steve who happened to be 24" from Diana; don’t matter to me. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/74 "2017-06-05T15:47:05Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Which - unless I missed a scene - only Diana knew what Steve said at that point. > > Therefore - the Amazons started the skirmish on the beach - not the Germans. More Comic Book Logic: if Diana knows something (especially something ‘in the moment’ at the front of her mind) and Hippolyta, etc., walk up to Diana … do the other Amazons then supernaturally learn that same something? Maybe a certain look in Diana’s eyes was enough to convey enough information given a little divine assist? Alternatively: the film-maker probably assumed that the audience would largely be comfortable mentally treating the Germans as enemies from the get-go, even without explicit explanatory exposition. Accordingly, the collective audience would be expected to not even really consider that the Amazons shot first. I admit to not considering that as a moral issue at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/75 "2017-06-05T15:57:12Z")
Wait twenty-odd years for the remastered special edition and they’ll make sure that the Germans shoot first. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/76 "2017-06-05T16:08:15Z")
Something else occurs to me – it draws from the post-Crisis history of Themyscira in the comics and not from the recent film, but maybe it is illustrative of the Amazon’s general mindset and perpetual state of readiness: > [@](#): > > The 1987 relaunch of _Wonder Woman_ establishes that **the Amazons are the reincarnated souls of women slain throughout pre-history by men**. Shaped from clay over 3,000 years previous and given new lives by five Olympian goddesses — Artemis, Athena, Demeter, Hestia, and Aphrodite — the Amazons are granted immortality, great physical strength, highly acute senses, beauty, wisdom, and love for one another. They are tasked to teach the merits of virtue, love, and equality to the men of “Patriarch’s World”. They have founded the city-state of Themyscira in ancient Greece - Modern day Turkey, which is ruled by sisters Hippolyta and Antiope. **Ares, the God of War and a chief opponent of the Amazons, manipulates his half brother Heracles to gather forces and attack Themyscira.** Now, the movie did make plain that Ares (and any minions thereof) was a well-established enemy to the Amazons – and that he was expected to return and fight the Amazons again. What was somewhat less clear in the film – while at the same time not a great leap in logic – was that perhaps _any_ men coming ashore\*\* at Thermyscira would be assumed to be agents of Ares intent on doing harm to the Amazons. The post-Crisis information (quoted above) from the comics would seem to bolster that possible interpretation. \*\* _keep in mind that Steve Trevor was brought ashore by Diana – she witnessed his plane going into the sea and her actions led Steve to the island. Steve Trevor did not come as an invader (not that the Amazons were thrilled to see him)._ ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/77 "2017-06-05T17:14:28Z")
They did a great job showing that the Amazons were real warriors. The training montage wasn’t just a cheesecake show like every other portrayal of Amazons that I’ve ever seen. Those women could kick some serious ass. And I have to add: Gal Gadot in glasses? SCHWING! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/78 "2017-06-05T18:01:03Z")
So… WW is to the Greek gods what Thor is the the Norse gods? Where are all the Greek gods now in this universe? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918/79 "2017-06-05T18:05:40Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > So… WW is to the Greek gods what Thor is the the Norse gods? Where are all the Greek gods now in this universe? Ares killed them all - ---
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> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > So… WW is to the Greek gods what Thor is the the Norse gods? Where are all the Greek gods now in this universe? Heh. When you put it like that, what’s the final showdown in this movie? A warrior god – the son of the king of the gods – zaps her with his magic lightning; and she’s all, _yeah, that’s impressive; but, when you get right down to it, in effect it’s just one more attack for me to bounce back at a guy with my bracelets._ So it’s **DAWN OF DAWN OF JUSTICE: WONDER WOMAN VS THOR!** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-seen-it-open-spoilers/787918.md?page=5)