# Wonder Woman timeline (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 28, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917 "2017-08-28T08:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/21 "2017-08-29T17:51:02Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > [Except](https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/6/7/15740202/wonder-woman-origin-story-amazons-marston-explained) of course in the current comic book Wonder Woman origins, which started in 2011 … Yes, I said all that in my post. And noted that DC has now changed her origin story back. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/22 "2017-08-30T04:50:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, I said all that in my post. And noted that DC has now changed her origin story back. Sorry, and not being adversarial in any way, but do you have a citation for that? Google doesn’t say much. and I’m very curious about it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/23 "2017-08-30T06:42:08Z")
> [@TYphoonSignal8](#): > > Sorry, and not being adversarial in any way, but do you have a citation for that? Google doesn’t say much. and I’m very curious about it. No problem. > [@](#): > > Azzarello’s run lasted for three years, with the character only regaining the respect she deserves thanks to the team of writer Greg Rucka and artists Nicola Scott and Liam Sharp, whose run on the character wrapped up this month. In DC’s latest revamp of their entire brand, Rebirth, Wonder Woman has blessedly been returned to the made-from-clay origin, and the Amazons are now the complex, peace-loving sisterhood that has charmed audiences for generations. > > [The Strange, Complicated, Feminist History of Wonder Woman’s Origin Story by Angelica Jade Bastien](http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/wonder-woman-origin-story-the-strange-feminist-history.html) > [@](#): > > The newest version of Wonder Woman from DC’s Rebirth came with yet another revelation to her origin story: everything we thought we knew about her from the New 52 was just a lie. In particular this meant that Brian Azzarello’s big contribution to her origin – being the daughter of Zeus – was now negated. Wonder Woman had used the Lasso of Truth on herself to force herself to speak without being clouded by lies or illusions, and what she learned shattered her world. > > [15 Biggest Changes To Wonder Woman’s Origins by Christopher Isaac](http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-origins-biggest-changes-retcons/) ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/24 "2017-08-30T07:51:11Z")
I definitely left the theater thinking it had been clearly communicated that Zeus was Wonder Woman’s actual father, and that the “made from clay” story was a lie. I can’t remember the exact lines that gave me this impression, though. I don’t know that I give much weight to the argument “Wonder Woman has to be made out of clay because that’s what happened in the comics”, when it comes to interpreting the movie. Especially given that they made other significant changes, like setting her origin during World War I. Plus, the daughter of Zeus version might still have been the status quo at the time the movie was being written. Also, I don’t really think “made from clay” is as central to Wonder Woman’s character as “Batman’s parents were murdered” (which gives him his motivation to fight crime) or “Superman is from the planet Krypton” (which explains why he has powers). The most important element of Wonder Woman’s origin, to my thinking, is the whole “raised on an island of mythical women warriors” thing. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/25 "2017-08-30T08:05:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No problem. Awesome. Thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/26 "2017-08-30T18:11:27Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > I definitely left the theater thinking it had been clearly communicated that Zeus was Wonder Woman’s actual father, and that the “made from clay” story was a lie. I can’t remember the exact lines that gave me this impression, though. There was a line in the movie where Hippolyta told Diana “That was just a story.” But she was talking about Ares being responsible for the war. > [@tim314](#): > > Also, I don’t really think “made from clay” is as central to Wonder Woman’s character as “Batman’s parents were murdered” (which gives him his motivation to fight crime) or “Superman is from the planet Krypton” (which explains why he has powers). The most important element of Wonder Woman’s origin, to my thinking, is the whole “raised on an island of mythical women warriors” thing. My understanding it that it was controversial at the time. The Amazons had traditionally been portrayed as a benevolent, if isolated, society and Themyscira was regarded as “Paradise Island”. Azzarello decided to darken it up. He created a dark secret behind Themyscira and the Amazons. They were not isolated from men. Instead they would kidnap men and force them to have sex so they could reproduce. The men would then be murdered. Any daughters that resulted would be raised as Amazons. And any sons were sold into slavery so the Amazons had money to buy weapons. A lot of people didn’t like this idea. Some didn’t like it because it was changing comic book history. Some didn’t like it as part of a general pattern of darkening comic books. And some saw it specifically as an anti-feminism message. The Amazons were a society of supposedly independent women. But they really secretly needed men after all. And trying to live without men turned them into murderous man-haters. Zeus being Diana’s father was part of this. It meant that Wonder Woman, like all the other Amazons, needed a man to create her. And that the source of Wonder Woman’s powers came from her father not her mother. Is this a valid interpretation? I don’t know. But it exists and there are a number of people saying this. And, admittedly, there are a lot of people taking the opposite side. There are plenty of people who think Azzarello did a great job on Wonder Woman and revived interest in the character. What I think is clear is that a controversy over this issue exists. Which may be why the movie script kept some ambiguity over Diana’s origins. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917/27 "2017-09-04T07:29:09Z")
I just saw the movie for the second time the other night. At one point in the climactic battle Ares calls Diana “sister,” and she calls him “brother,” strongly suggesting she knows they are both children of Zeus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonder-woman-timeline-spoilers/794917.md?page=1)