# Wonderful anti-Muslim e-mail I got **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 6, 2011, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378 "2011-09-06T13:29:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/21 "2011-09-07T09:22:34Z")
Incidentally, in case you’re interested, about 80% of all Jews worldwide are Ashkenazic: > **[Ashkenazi Jews](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews)** > > Ashkenazi Jews (/ˌɑːʃkəˈnɑːzi, ˌæʃ-/ A(H)SH-kə-NAH-zee; Hebrew: יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכְּנַז, romanized: Yehudei Ashkenaz, lit. 'Jews of Germania'; Yiddish: אַשכּנזישע ייִדן, romanized: Ashkenazishe Yidn), also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim,\[a\] are a Jewish diaspora population who formed in the Holy Roman Empire around the end of the first millennium CE. Their traditional diaspora language is Yiddish (a West Germanic language with Jewish and Slavic linguistic elements, which uses the Heb The ... Sephardic Jews are about 15% of all Jews worldwide: > **[Sephardic Jews](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews)** > > Sephardic or Sephardi Jews (Hebrew: יהדות ספרד, romanized: Yahadut Sefarad, transl. Jewry of Hispania; Ladino: Djudíos Sefardíes), also Sephardim \[a\] or Peninsular Jews, > are a Jewish diaspora population associated with the Iberian Peninsula. The term, which is derived from the Hebrew Sepharad (lit. 'Spain'), can also refer to the Mizrahi Jews of Western Asia and North Africa, who were also influenced by Sephardic law and customs. Many Iberian Jewish exiles also later sought refuge in Miz The J... ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/22 "2011-09-07T09:30:54Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > It is obviously extremely sensationalist - the UK ‘debating’ whether to remove the Holocaust from curriculum could be something serious, or something as minor as one person trying to remove it and being shot down, for example. I’d just like to clarify that reports on the Uk debating the removal of the Holocaust from the national schools curriculum is utterly false, and was a rumour spread by a malicious email of the sort you have received above. This bollocks email was even mentioned in parliament, as the quote below shows from a parliamentary session in 2009: > [@](#): > > **Mr. Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent, South) (Lab):** Does [my hon. friend] share my profound concern that e-mails, which are attached to horrific PowerPoint presentations, are circulating that suggest that the Government have banned the teaching of the holocaust in schools? Will he join me in urging anyone who receives such an e-mail to bin it straight away? > > Mr\*\*. Russell Brown (Dumfries and Galloway) (Lab):\*\* My hon. Friend is right to make that point. There is no place for some of the things that we will look at in this afternoon’s debate. > > One of the Holocaust Educational Trust’s first achievements was to ensure that the holocaust was included in the national curriculum in 1991. It successfully campaigned to have the assets of holocaust victims and survivors released and returned to their rightful owners. Having played a crucial role in the establishment and development of Holocaust memorial day in the UK, the HET continues to play a key role in the delivery of that day. > > The trust carries out significant work in schools and higher education institutions, providing teacher training workshops and lectures as well as teaching aids and resource materials. Some of its activities include the outreach programme, which is a central part of the work that allows students and teachers the opportunity to hear first-hand survivor testimony. > > Think Equal is a programme that has been devised specifically for schools in areas of racial tension. It enables the trust’s educators to work with staff in schools, deliver teacher training and devise workshops for students that focus on the dangers of racism and discrimination and the contemporary lessons to be drawn from the holocaust. So I hope that clears up that nonsense. I’m so fed up of stupid falsehoods that suggest we (the UK) are banning teaching the holocaust or introducing sharia law or any other such bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/23 "2011-09-07T10:28:25Z")
Could anyone POSSIBLY believe this was printed in a newspaper? Even in the op-ed section? It’s disjointed, meandering, and stops in the middle for a list of 150 names. No editor worth his salt would publish this as it is, even if he WERE working for Aryan Separatists Quarterly or whatever the hell kind of publication would see this as in line with their editorial bent. I’ll grant, it’s hard to tell how much of this is the “original article” and how much is chaff added on by subsequent forwardees, but in the state we are presented with it here, it’s a MESS. Maybe it’s SLIGHTLY more elegant in the original Spanish, but I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/24 "2011-09-07T10:51:09Z")
> [@Baracus](#): > > I think it sends a conflicting message to say > > when three-quarters of the Nobel prizes in the list that follows were awarded _after_ 1944. I am not trying to diminish what happened in any way, but it sounds like “the Jews” are still doing ok. It sounds to me like “the Jews” are running the Nobel prize committees and I’m tempted to write a weird rambling racist e-mail calling for an investigation. > [@Smapti](#): > > Could anyone POSSIBLY believe this was printed in a newspaper? Even in the op-ed section? It’s disjointed, meandering, and stops in the middle for a list of 150 names. No editor worth his salt would publish this as it is, even if he WERE working for Aryan Separatists Quarterly or whatever the hell kind of publication would see this as in line with their editorial bent. I’ll grant, it’s hard to tell how much of this is the “original article” and how much is chaff added on by subsequent forwardees, but in the state we are presented with it here, it’s a MESS. > > Maybe it’s SLIGHTLY more elegant in the original Spanish, but I doubt it. I think the newspaper part is supposed to end at the line of asterisks. The writing after the list is a different style (the writing above the asterisks does NOT emphatically CAPITALIZE WORDS) and actually makes reference to it being an e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/25 "2011-09-07T12:53:04Z")
My Google search brought me to [this Spanish-language webpage](http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=1865). At least based on the Google Translate English language translation, it appears to be the same text as the beginning of the quote (except for the list of Nobelists). ---
**Author:** ![nani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58956e/32.png) [@nani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nani)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/26 "2011-09-07T13:53:24Z")
I’m surprised the Spanish author does not lament the 1492 expulsion of Jews from Spain as well. Probably because most of them ended up being taken in by Muslims. It should hearten anaamika’s friend to learn that the Eurabia thing is a myth. ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/27 "2011-09-07T13:58:43Z")
> [@MegaBee](#): > > I’d tell that person to stop sending me anything that wasn’t work related, and I’d forward that particular e-mail to HR. I agree with this. Completely inappropriate for the workplace, and I’d tell them to knock it off. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/28 "2011-09-07T22:40:15Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > Not a single relative of mine has won a Nobel Prize. One of my relatives was _nominated_ for the Nobel in Economics. Does this mean he is an _Honorary_ Jew? Does this mean I am an Honorary Jew? Do I get an Honorary Yarmulke? And, are Yarmulkes waterproof? _These questions must be answered!_ ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/29 "2011-09-08T03:19:12Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. I’ll have to tell this to a Jewish friend who works for a demolition company. They took one down within recent years. Perhaps it doesn’t count, because they used a crane & wrecking ball – not explosives. And the building had already been de-sanctified, so maybe it didn’t count as a church anymore? ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/30 "2011-09-08T03:35:18Z")
I’m going to agree with Anne Nevile: this sounds like the anti-Jew propaganda with the vilified party changed. We always gotta have SOME nationality to use as a scape goat! ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/31 "2011-09-08T06:33:11Z")
It’s a [hoax](http://www.nuevodigital.com/nuevodigital.php/leer/musulmanes_judios_espana_islam_delincuencia_terrorismo_periodista_hoax_corr/). Spanish language webpage: the reporter who posts it says he’s been getting that particular PoS since at least 2005. While I can’t claim to be familiar with the names of every Spanish “columnista” (nor would I want to), that article simply didn’t seem to match any newspapers I can think of (there’s one which is that imbecilic, but the style is too simple for them), so I searched. Hoax. OK, good to verify that not even our worst rags are that idiotic… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/32 "2011-09-08T13:13:14Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > I’ll have to tell this to a Jewish friend who works for a demolition company. They took one down within recent years. > > Perhaps it doesn’t count, because they used a crane & wrecking ball – not explosives. And the building had already been de-sanctified, so maybe it didn’t count as a church anymore? Please…I just wanted it to be clear that that wasn’t actually a quote of mine, but it was from the article. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/33 "2011-09-08T20:34:25Z")
Aside from Abdus Salam, let me say that Nils Bohr was not Jewish (at least according to a biography I read), although he may have had a Jewish ancestor. And I believe I read somewhere (probably Wiki) that Paul Krugman is. But these are nitpicks. A millennium ago, the west had not emerged from stagnation and the Muslim world was the center of learning. When Gerbert, the future Pope Sylvester, wanted to lean mathematics he, in the words of one history I read, disguised himself as an Arab and went to school in Cordoba. Incidentally, anti-semitism (by which I mean the anti-Jewish type) is on the rise in Europe. When will the Europeans admit that if they hadn’t disgorged their Jewish population, Israel would not have come into being. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/34 "2011-09-10T16:21:29Z")
My first thought when I read the thing was, “Where is the list of Nobel laureate cross-indexed by religion?” ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/35 "2011-09-10T16:51:55Z")
The person who wrote the E-mail may have gotten the Jewish Nobel Prize winners from this website: > **[Science and technology related prizes](https://www.science.co.il/Prizes.php)** > > Directory of science and technology related prizes in Israel and Jewish Diaspora. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/36 "2012-01-20T20:22:16Z")
Abdus Salam was a member of the Ahmadi sect. The Ahmadis identify themselves as Muslims. The Sunni orthodox imams in Pakistan insist that the Ahmadis are apostates and can’t be counted as Muslims. Perhaps the writer took that as the cue to bump the Muslim count down a notch? ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2012, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/37 "2012-01-21T20:47:11Z")
As a Latina with an interest in Latin culture and history, I tend to make a Spanish connection with the year 1492. This year marks both the christian European tradition of genocide on native peoples of the Americas, and the beginning of the expulsion of Muslims and Jews from Spain. Muslims and Jews both suffered and died through force and tortures from the Inquisition, their wealth was confiscated by Spain, and the banishment of an estimated three million people are a part of their shared history in Spain. In 1928, Garcia Lorca, the Spanish writer and poet from Granada, commented on this, " It was a disastrous event, even though they say the opposite in schools. An admirable civilization and poetry, architecture and delicacy unique in the world-all were lost." ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/38 "2012-01-21T21:22:09Z")
[This may explain a bit more about the source.](http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2011/02/who_wrote_all_european_life_died_in_auschwitz.html) > [@](#): > > …for an old article of mine …published in February of 2006 in which I investigated the provenance of an email circulating at that time in the blogosphere. > > Many bloggers reprinted the email with an introduction stating that the material was “a translation of an article from a Spanish newspaper written by a Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez.” > > It turns out that the article never appeared in any Spanish newspaper but rather in an anti-Communist Spanish language website Gentiuno (published 11 Nov 2004) and that the author’s name is actually spelled Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez, a nom de plume for an author unwilling to reveal himself. Like many urban legends, this one has a germ of truth and much distortion: > [@](#): > > As proof that Europe made a terrible mistake killing six million creative and inventive Jews and replacing them with 20 million worthless Muslims, the email also includes a list of 7 supposed Muslim Nobel Prize winners against a list of 129 Jewish Nobel Laureates. This Nobel Prize comparison is both old and inaccurate and which I corrected in my March 2006 article Muslim Inventions - Nobel Prizes: three of the Muslims laureates mentioned are not actually Muslim. As for the number of Jews who won Nobel Prizes the actual number is 171 (not counting Peace Prize winners). It occurs to me that the Nobel prize committee might be biased, so a list of winning religions or nationalities wouldn’t necessarily be representative of a culture’s contribution to the world. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/39 "2012-01-21T21:31:26Z")
Pasternak is listed as Jewish, but while his family was Jewish, he himself did not practice and if anything converted to Orthodox Christianity towards the end of his life. I suspect that this might be true for many of the other laureates on the list, both the supposed Jews and the supposed Muslims. It’s a pretty meaningless thing, all in all. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378/40 "2012-01-22T03:15:11Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Abdus Salam was a member of the Ahmadi sect. The Ahmadis identify themselves as Muslims. The Sunni orthodox imams in Pakistan insist that the Ahmadis are apostates and can’t be counted as Muslims. Perhaps the writer took that as the cue to bump the Muslim count down a notch? Or because Salam worked on Pakistans nuclear program me made him less deserving? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderful-anti-muslim-e-mail-i-got/595378.md?page=3)