# Wonderwench and lekatt..... Celebrating ignorance!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412 "2005-04-15T02:06:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/261 "2005-04-17T20:12:35Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I have a Living Will with a do not resuscitate clause. But I do not believe I have the right to assume or demand that others should have the same. But in the absence of a written living will you would keep the person alive, despite what comments and wishes they verbally made known? Michael asked a judge to decide Terri’s wishes. There was testimony and affadavits, and the judge ruled Terri would not want to be kept alive. Do you know her parents at one point said they knew Terri was in a PVS, and were willing to cut off her arms and legs if she developed gangrene to keep her alive, and that they would not withdraw the feeding tube _even if they knew Terri would want it pulled_? In the absence of a living will, the judge did the next best thing, and I think they made the right decision. ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/262 "2005-04-17T20:16:40Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > But in the absence of a written living will you would keep the person alive, despite what comments and wishes they verbally made known? > > Michael asked a judge to decide Terri’s wishes. There was testimony and affadavits, and the judge ruled Terri would not want to be kept alive. Do you know her parents at one point said they knew Terri was in a PVS, and were willing to cut off her arms and legs if she developed gangrene to keep her alive, and that they would not withdraw the feeding tube _even if they knew Terri would want it pulled_? > > In the absence of a living will, the judge did the next best thing, and I think they made the right decision. First - Terri’s case is extreme and, hopefully, not representative of how must such situations would develop. I do not agree with the judge’s finding that Terri’s wishes were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I wish the judge had decided differently. I am not taking the position that a person be kept alive in the absence of a Living Will - but that when there is doubt about there wishes, that we do keep them alive. If you think the preponderance of evidence proved Terri would not be kept alive - that is your perogative. I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/263 "2005-04-17T20:30:58Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > First - Terri’s case is extreme and, hopefully, not representative of how must such situations would develop. > > I do not agree with the judge’s finding that Terri’s wishes were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I wish the judge had decided differently. > > I am not taking the position that a person be kept alive in the absence of a Living Will - but that when there is doubt about there wishes, that we do keep them alive. > > If you think the preponderance of evidence proved Terri would not be kept alive - that is your perogative. I disagree. You disagree and lie your ass off to support it. ---
**Author:** ![widdleytinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a4c791/32.png) [@widdleytinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdleytinks)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/264 "2005-04-17T21:48:21Z")
Why? Why continue to feed factual information to someone whose only interest is making assertions about people she doesn’t know and events she obviously hasn’t bothered to research? You all keep throwing facts in her face, and as they hurl toward her face she closes her eyes and opens them later as if she’d never seen them. ww’s belief system does not include respect for facts. regards, widdley ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/265 "2005-04-17T21:51:47Z")
> [@widdleytinks](#): > > Why? Why continue to feed factual information to someone whose only interest is making assertions about people she doesn’t know and events she obviously hasn’t bothered to research? You all keep throwing facts in her face, and as they hurl toward her face she closes her eyes and opens them later as if she’d never seen them. ww’s belief system does not include respect for facts. > > regards, > widdley Why are you so unwilling to acknowledge or accept that not everyone agrees with the judge’s decision? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/266 "2005-04-17T21:59:18Z")
> [@widdleytinks](#): > > Why? Why continue to feed factual information to someone whose only interest is making assertions about people she doesn’t know and events she obviously hasn’t bothered to research? You all keep throwing facts in her face, and as they hurl toward her face she closes her eyes and opens them later as if she’d never seen them. ww’s belief system does not include respect for facts. > > regards, > widdley And her respect for the sanctity of marriage only exists if she thinks you’ve adhered to her standards, not knowing the facts of the situation, just third hand biased information. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/267 "2005-04-17T22:00:29Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > Why are you so unwilling to acknowledge or accept that not everyone agrees with the judge’s decision? Why are youo so unwilling to tell the truth? Isn’t bearing false witness a SIN? ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/268 "2005-04-17T22:04:45Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > Why are youo so unwilling to tell the truth? > > Isn’t bearing false witness a SIN? I have not borne false witness. Expressing an opinion on the merits or lack thereof is not lying. But I wouldn’t expect such a limited intellect such as yourself to grok that. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/269 "2005-04-17T22:55:11Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I have not borne false witness. Expressing an opinion on the merits or lack thereof is not lying. > > But I wouldn’t expect such a limited intellect such as yourself to grok that. Insults and lies. Wow. So, are you related to James Dobson or Fred Phelps? Oh… and the grok thing? Very ginchy. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/270 "2005-04-17T23:05:07Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I have not borne false witness. You’ve lied. You’ve spread misinformation. You’ve said things that are patently untrue. At least 10 of those have been documented in these two threads. How is that not bearing false witness? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/271 "2005-04-17T23:09:40Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > Why are you so unwilling to acknowledge or accept that not everyone agrees with the judge’s decision? You don’t even understand the judges’ (plural, not singular) decisions enough to disagree with them. Please give us a **legal** argument as to why the decision was incorrect – not your dumbfuck, misinformed religious opinion but an actual argument as to why the decision was LEGALLY incorrect. You also need to get it into your empty skull that no one gives the slightest fuck what your opinions are. We just want you to stop LYING. And I’ll say it one more time, you stupid cow. The phrase “beyond a reasonable doubt” applies to criminal convictions. The standard in this case was “clear and convincing evidence.” If you don’t even know what the decision WAS how can you presume to disagree with it? You answer my questions from upthread anytime you feel like it, by the way. > [@](#): > > I have not borne false witness. Expressing an opinion on the merits or lack thereof is not lying. You have made groundless accusations and insinuations against a man you know nothing about. That is bearing false witness. You have repeatedly lied about the evidence and been dishonest in your interactions with us. You have also shown a marked contemp for the mission of this message board. Your disingenuous pretense that you are being piled on for simply “disagreeing” with you isn’t fooling anyone. We know you’re full of shit and YOU know you’re full of shit so why keep it up? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/272 "2005-04-18T00:26:52Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > We know you’re full of shit and YOU know you’re full of shit so why keep it up? Seems to me she’s feeding on the attention, stirring up a tasty shit stew to fill her disingenuous maw. You guys really ought to stop playing her game. ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/273 "2005-04-18T00:42:27Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > You have made groundless accusations and insinuations against a man you know nothing about. That is bearing false witness. You have repeatedly lied about the evidence and been dishonest in your interactions with us. You have also shown a marked contemp for the mission of this message board. Your disingenuous pretense that you are being piled on for simply “disagreeing” with you isn’t fooling anyone. We know you’re full of shit and YOU know you’re full of shit so why keep it up? And how is that any different than deciding not to believe the Schindler family? All I have seen is repeated attacks by an insecure little clique who just cannot accept the fact that some people dare to disagree with the findings of Judge Greer. If that makes you upset, that is your little problem. Not mine. I am not the one who started an attack thread, btw. What does that say about appreciation for this message board on the part of the person who started this thread and who jumped on board? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/274 "2005-04-18T00:53:28Z")
Not believe the Schindler family about what? ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/275 "2005-04-18T01:06:02Z")
WW, did you read this 2000 court document? > **[trialctorder02-00.pdf](https://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf)** > > 1689.87 KB ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/276 "2005-04-18T01:23:22Z")
> [@cj finn](#): > > This opinion of yours that Judge Greer ‘tipped his hand’ when he considered convenience of the family is a perfect example of willful ignorance on your part. It is definitive proof of 1) that you have not read Judge Greer’s opinion or 2) that you truly did not understand it if you did read it. In any case, your construction of the judge’s opion on this point is assinine. Judge Greer specifically stated that Terri did not pose a burden other than an emotional one. The convenience of the family is something that was never considered and has been fabricated by yourself. The word ‘convenience’ does not appear in the opinion. > > Knock it off. > > CJ No, it is an opinion. Just as yours is an opinion. The judge indicated the the relief of an emotional burden for the convenience of the family was a valid consideration. The fact the he referenced the family as a factor instead of just considering Terri’s wishes tips the hand of his agenda. If you wish to ignore this little insight then so be it. In my experience, people who are so unwilling to accept differences of opinion on controversial topics do so because they are insecure and uninformed. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/277 "2005-04-18T01:29:23Z")
> [@](#): > > The judge indicated the the relief of an emotional burden for the convenience of the family was a valid consideration. No he didn’t, liar. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/278 "2005-04-18T01:29:46Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Seems to me she’s feeding on the attention, stirring up a tasty shit stew to fill her disingenuous maw. > > You guys really ought to stop playing her game. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/279 "2005-04-18T01:36:25Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > No he didn’t, liar. Yes he did idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/280 "2005-04-18T02:00:37Z")
We are unrepentant in our ignorance. Clearly your best efforts have not made a dent. Perhaps you would be better served to leave us to stew in our bitter, mean-spirited, insecure stupidity, and spend your passionate and exceptional energy and unmatched wisdom somewhere where they might be more fully appreciated. Just a suggestion, **wonderwench**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412.md?page=15)