# Wonderwench and lekatt..... Celebrating ignorance!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412 "2005-04-15T02:06:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/21 "2005-04-15T12:44:02Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > A man who wouldn’t know logic if it walked up, said “Hello” to him, took him to bed, and fucked the daylights out of him for a week (maybe that’s what happened? ;)) has accused me of making “irrational deductions”! I think [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6050933&postcount=20) post is the perfect example of logic according to **lekatt**. To summarize: The Pope was upset that Terri Schiavo was allowed to die. Many people were very sad that the Pope died. Therefore, Terri Schiavo should not have been allowed to die. Of course you’re going to seem irrational to him, **Siege**. You make sense. Logic, in **lekatt** ’s little world, isn’t supposed to make any sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/22 "2005-04-15T13:12:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Twain. Heinlien wasn’t fit to sharpen his pencils. Oh, boy, do I second this one. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/23 "2005-04-15T14:13:10Z")
I’ve often wondered if **lekatt** has a neurological disease…anybody know which condition would best fit the bill? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/24 "2005-04-15T14:16:23Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > I’ve often wondered if **lekatt** has a neurological disease…anybody know which condition would best fit the bill? Proctocephalic Syndrome? ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/25 "2005-04-15T14:19:04Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve often wondered if lekatt has a neurological disease…anybody know which condition would best fit the bill? [Temporal lobe epilepsy](http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum/EpilepsyF/11.17.971.12AMNeuro-EpilepticO). ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/26 "2005-04-15T14:21:39Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > [Temporal lobe epilepsy](http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum/EpilepsyF/11.17.971.12AMNeuro-EpilepticO). OooooOOooo! _ **Very** _ good candidate, **Meat**! I’m _impressed_! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![A.I.Wintermute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@A.I.Wintermute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A.I.Wintermute)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/27 "2005-04-15T14:57:42Z")
As an aside to the **lekatt** dogpile here, I don’t really think what **wonderwench** said was all that pit-worthy. She was certainly not making the same argument **lekatt** was, and I don’t see how her responses betray ignorance. What I got from her posts is that she thinks that in cases in which a living will does not exist, a patient should remain on life support, period. In other words, in cases where you can’t be absolutely sure, one should err on the side of preserving life. I don’t see how believing that “reasonable doubt” is not sufficient in cases such as these is in ignorance of any of the facts of the case. This point may not have been argued in the most clear of fashions, but the unnecessary asides dealing with discrimination against the disabled do not in any way affect the validity of her main point. ---
**Author:** ![av8rmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@av8rmike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/av8rmike)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/28 "2005-04-15T14:58:04Z")
I thought the quote was something about not wrestling with a pig because you both only get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Maybe that’s a SDMB-ism. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/29 "2005-04-15T15:40:04Z")
> [@A. I. Wintermute](#): > > I don’t see how believing that “reasonable doubt” is not sufficient in cases such as these is in ignorance of any of the facts of the case. This point may not have been argued in the most clear of fashions, but the unnecessary asides dealing with discrimination against the disabled do not in any way affect the validity of her main point. Here is what I said about your view in the original thread: > [@Hamlet](#): > > wonderwench, you have consistently and throughly proven you have no grasp of the facts, or the law, in this case. But despite speaking from a point of ignorance, you loudly, continuously, and annoyingly continue to misrepresent the facts and call it an opinion. > > You think there wasn’t enough evidence that Ms. Schiavo wished that “after ten years in a persistent vegetative state that has robbed her of most of her cerebrum and all but the most instinctive of neurological functions, with no hope of a medical cure but with sufficient money and strength of body to live indefinitely, would choose to continue the constant nursing care and the supporting tubes in hopes that a miracle would somehow recreate her missing brain tissue, or whether she would wish to permit a natural death process to take its course and for her family members and loved ones to be free to continue their lives.” Over 15 independent judges who reviewed the evidence of two trials (unlike you), were aware of the facts (unlike you), and had a modicum of critical thinking ability (unlike you), disagree. As do a majority of people who have taken the time to acquaint themselves with the actual facts of the case. > > You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. If you believe that Ms. Schiavo, 10 years later, wished to remain in a persistent vegetative state, with no higher brain function or any chance of recovering, you are free to do you. However, you do so despite the evidence and with little to no actual knowledge of the case. As you’ve proven, no amount of facts, arguments, or knowledge is going to change your opinion. It remains your perogative to wallow in ignorance. > > However, the vile mudslinging, the hate-filled innuendos, and the mindless repeating of false information is not your opinion. THAT is what I object to the most. You go well beyond advancing an opinion, and instead you spread lies and vile insults, and pretend to do it all from a place of higher moral authority. THAT is what sickens me the most about you. If you look at her very first post in the thread, she asserts: 1. It wasn’t a right to die, it was euthanasia – which is a complete misstatement of the case. 2. The seven year delay effects the credibility of the evidence - which was explained, over and over, that Michael had sought treatment to try and help Terri for years before he asked the court to determine her wishes. Blaming him for a delay in which he spent years trying to help her, is just plain wrong. 3. Nobody in her family confirmed her claim. Yet another lie. Her in-laws did. So did her friends. 4. The law does not allow for erring on the side of life. Yet another lie. The statute in Florida does presume life. She’s lying again. 5. Michael was estranged and shouldn’t be allowed to determine what happens to Terri - Yet another lie. The court determined it. And here we begin to see the start of her mudslinging campaign. 6. Michael had a common law wife - Yet another lie. 7. Michael should have spared the family - Michael was the only one who stood up for what Terri wanted, even in the face of the vile hatred, lies, and abuse that people like wonderwench are spewing. 8. She was euthanized - wrong again. So, in her very first post, wonderwench establishes herself as a lying, misleading, mud slinger with no concept of the actual facts of the case. For 3 fucking pages, people pointed out these flaws, to which she gave no response, and only continued in her ignorant ways. It’s not simply a difference of opinion, I can live with those. It wasn’t just because she did not make her point clearly enough. I understand her point, acknowledged it, and tried to argue against it, with the actual reality of the situation. Which, oddly enough, had no effect on her. THATS why she’s in the Pit, and deservedly so. ---
**Author:** ![Megatool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Megatool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Megatool)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/30 "2005-04-15T15:48:03Z")
AIWinetrnute: As an aside to the lekatt dogpile here, I don’t really think what wonderwench said was all that pit-worthy. She was certainly not making the same argument lekatt was, and I don’t see how her responses betray ignorance. What I got from her posts is that she thinks that in cases in which a living will does not exist, a patient should remain on life support, period. In other words, in cases where you can’t be absolutely sure, one should err on the side of preserving life. She was not only saying that but constantly repeating outright lies and statements that were repeatedly shown to be not true! For instance the issue of severely disabled vs. PVS. ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/31 "2005-04-15T15:54:40Z")
This thread proves the intolerance and fear of those who are unwilling to accept that others do not believe as they do. Funny how they have to get nasty about it. I bet they would throw pies and salad dressing if they had the opportunity. Ain’t Freedom of Speech grand? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/32 "2005-04-15T16:03:03Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > This thread proves the intolerance and fear of those who are unwilling to accept that others do not believe as they do. For the third time now, it’s not that we have a difference of opinion on what Terry Schiavo wanted to happen. It’s that you based your opinion on misinformation, hatred, and mus-slinging, while ignoring the facts and evidence. Even that is tolerable to me. If that is how you want to base your opinion, fine. But you insist on spreading your lies, making false and evil accusations, and steadfastedly refuse to address the facts of the case. > [@wonderwench](#): > > Funny how they have to get nasty about it. Says the woman who accused Michael of possibly murdering his wife. Classy. > [@wonderwench](#): > > I bet they would throw pies and salad dressing if they had the opportunity. And I’ll bet you continue to refuse to respond to any of the points I’ve made. > [@wonderwench](#): > > Ain’t Freedom of Speech grand? Aren’t unfounded accusations your forte! ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/33 "2005-04-15T16:07:46Z")
Make a fucking paragraph **wonderwench**! One sentence 'graphs are extremely annoying. When I see people doing it, I automatically assume they are ignorant assholes who learned to write by imitating Republican fundraising letters. Look, it’s easy: > [@what wonderwench should have posted](#): > > This thread proves the intolerance and fear of those who are unwilling to accept that others do not believe as they do. Funny how they have to get nasty about it. I bet they would throw pies and salad dressing if they had the opportunity! Ain’t freedom of speech grand? ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/34 "2005-04-15T16:14:22Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I bet they would throw pies and salad dressing if they had the opportunity. What kind of pie? If it’s banana creme, I’m keeping it. > [@](#): > > Ain’t Freedom of Speech grand? Yes, it motherfucking is. Put your sarcasm away. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/35 "2005-04-15T16:26:31Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > Ain’t Freedom of Speech grand? Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/36 "2005-04-15T16:26:34Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > This thread proves the intolerance and fear of those who are unwilling to accept that others do not believe as they do. This is not a difference of opinion. This is a case of you refusing to learn of the facts of the case. Point by point, we tried to show you where you were wrong. And you dismissed each point, even though we cited, explained, and had doctors point out the errors in your reasoning. There’s a difference between ignorant and stupid. If you don’t know something, you’re ignorant. If I explain it to you fourteen times and you _still_ don’t get it, you’re stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/37 "2005-04-15T17:03:01Z")
**Wonder** , what you don’t get is that there probably isn’t a person who has posted in this thread who wouldn’t take up arms and risk his or her own life precisely to defend your right to make any damn fool statement you want. But as **Miller** so rightly pointed out, the right to say it doesn’t mean that no one is going to call you on it. You made a lot of, shall we say, misstatements in the thread in question. You have every right to err or even to lie through your teeth. But we have an equal right to then call you an ignorant liar who bases her posts entirely on ideology rather than facts. The world then gets to judge who made the better case. How do you think it’s going so far? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/38 "2005-04-15T17:11:04Z")
> [@wonderwench](#): > > I bet they would throw pies and salad dressing if they had the opportunity. Where the Technicolor Fuck did _that_ come from?! 😕 :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![wonderwench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@wonderwench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderwench)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/39 "2005-04-15T17:35:53Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > This is not a difference of opinion. This is a case of you refusing to learn of the facts of the case. Point by point, we tried to show you where you were wrong. And you dismissed each point, even though we cited, explained, and had doctors point out the errors in your reasoning. > > There’s a difference between ignorant and stupid. If you don’t know something, you’re ignorant. If I explain it to you fourteen times and you _still_ don’t get it, you’re stupid. B’loney. What I see here is a different set of opinions and beliefs regarding the Terri Schiavo case. I am willing to acknowledge that those who believe differently have the right to do so without accusing them of being ignorant, indulging in lies, etc. They are wrong - but I respect their right to be wrong. Why are they so afraid for someone to disagree with them? Everything they have accused me of I can lob right back at them. (And quick response to the person who dissed me being sarcastic - this is the Pit, and I did not start this thread.) ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412/40 "2005-04-15T17:38:16Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Where the Technicolor Fuck did _that_ come from?! 😕 :dubious: It’s a reference to some liberal protestors attacking conservative commentators with food products. It’s the current conservative meme illustrating how liberals are immature godless homos who eat babies and hate America. In other words, ignore it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wonderwench-and-lekatt-celebrating-ignorance/299412.md?page=3)