# Won't "vaccine passports" affect poorer/"blacker" people more (a la Voter ID)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 3, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986 "2021-08-03T19:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LauderdaleFort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/977dab/32.png) [@LauderdaleFort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LauderdaleFort)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/61 "2021-08-03T21:00:51Z")
Au contraire. Even when a disadvantaged person has got the vaccine, thaqt person would need a second trip to get the ID. The APP seems like a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/62 "2021-08-03T21:02:34Z")
> [@LauderdaleFort](#): > > Au contraire > Even when a disadvantaged person has got the vaccine, thaqt person would need a second trip to get the ID. The APP seems like a good idea. I can honestly say I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Maybe take a second run at it. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/63 "2021-08-03T21:04:16Z")
> [@LauderdaleFort](#): > > How can we defend having such a document if voter ID It solves a problem. An actual problem. A real problem that is killing real Americans every day. Voter ID doesn’t fix a damn thing. That’s the entirety of my argument. You’re Welcome ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/64 "2021-08-03T21:05:53Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > I’d submit that most anti-vaxers aren’t going to want a fake vaccine card. They would much rather argue their right to not put that poison into their bodies with a min. wage greeter. Being martyred for their beliefs will make their day. When mask mandates were in full force I was amazed (and I mentioned it here a few times) at how many people, when told to put in their mask by a store employee, would start a fight, yelling and screaming at some high school kid about their freedoms and how we’re nazi shitheads and on and on and on when all they had to do was say ‘I have a breathing problem’. That’s it. Case closed, it’ll be completely dropped after that. They’re arguing because the want to argue. Often times that’s not a big deal, but a 60 year old guy yelling at my 16 year old cashier doesn’t work for me. We have a number of people that are no longer welcome in our store now. ---
**Author:** ![LauderdaleFort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/977dab/32.png) [@LauderdaleFort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LauderdaleFort)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/65 "2021-08-03T21:06:04Z")
Ok. 1. Disadvantaged people are vaccinating at a lower rate. African-Americans are vaccinated at a lower rate. 2. Vaccine Passports will affect said people more. 3. The Vaccination card is not designed as an ID, so, it’s not a good object to use as vaccine passport. 4. Therefore, you’d need to get another form of object to use as vaccine passport. This will further (as per voter ID) or might further make it difficult for said people to get the vaccine passport. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/66 "2021-08-03T21:10:39Z")
Where did you get the idea that the vaccination card and the vaccination passport are different things? They’re not. They’re just two terms for the same document. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/67 "2021-08-03T21:12:38Z")
#1 Show me WHY disadvantaged people are getting vaccinated at a lower rate and tell me how that has anything to do with getting an ID for voting. #2 Well, yeah, that’s sorta the point. #3 It’s not an ID. We already covered that. #4 Luckily, that’s not the case. However, it could also be as simple as creating an easy way for people to verify that a card is legit and punish people that forge cards or use cards that aren’t theirs. Something as simple as a thumbprint (on the card, when you get it) would do a good job of serving as proof the card is yours without requiring a photo ID. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Where did you get the idea that the vaccination card and the vaccination passport are different things? They’re not. They’re just two terms for the same document. Based on the following quote LauderdaleFort appears to be confused about it. > [@LauderdaleFort](#): > > Vaccine cards are terrible as ID/Passports. > They were not designed for that. I’ve had school library cards that were better. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/68 "2021-08-03T21:15:40Z")
> [@LauderdaleFort](#): > > thaqt person would need a second trip to get the ID. I got my vaccine card on my first trip. Then, they filled out the second dose on the same card. If I got the J&J vaccine, one trip would get me vaccine card. If an app were required, that could disenfranchise some people – people without smartphones. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/69 "2021-08-03T21:22:54Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > If an app were required, that could disenfranchise some people – people without smartphones. I purposely didn’t address that point since I presume that he intends to use exactly that line of reasoning. Keep in mind his OP was about how we could justify wanting a vaccine passport while at the same time wanting to get rid of voter IDs. He seems to have drifted pretty far from that and still has yet to show any meaningful connection between the two. Meaningful enough that they should be treated similarly. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/70 "2021-08-03T21:29:24Z")
Yeah, failing to see the connection. Getting a vaccination card involves getting a vaccine. That’s it. We’ve made an effort to make sure as many people have a vaccination site within a few miles of their homes so with vanishingly few exceptions, most people can get a vaccine with at most modest effort and the vast majority with no real difficulty at all. Even foreigners have been able to come to the US to get vaccines (and associated vaccination cards) when they couldn’t get vaccinated at home. Getting a Voter ID often involves traveling to a site that is almost certainly not within a few miles of home for most Americans. And one does not simply get a valid Voter ID by showing up to vote. In many states, registering at polling sites isn’t even done. There’s a totally busted syllogism here and it’s a headscratchingly bad one. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/71 "2021-08-03T21:32:38Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Getting a Voter ID often involves traveling to a site that is almost certainly not within a few miles of home for most Americans. And one does not simply get a valid Voter ID by showing up to vote. Be that as it may, I’ve heard this for 9 years and in those 9 years, just about everyone who needed a photo ID could have gotten one. Even if it was a hurdle. **Nine. Years.** ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/72 "2021-08-03T21:37:00Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I don’t understand why it’s a good idea, since voter fraud is vanishingly rare, especially in-person voter fraud. AFAIK, by far the biggest perpetrators of voter fraud is the same group which complains about voter fraud. IOW, Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/73 "2021-08-03T21:37:04Z")
Yeah, I remember three years ago when it became free to get an ID to vote… Huh? It’s not free? That seems like a poll tax to me. I thought those were unconstitutional. ETA: I wonder if any new eligible voters have come along in those **Nine. Years.** Or, if anyone has moved to a different voting district. Or, if any valid ID has become expired in those **Nine. Years.** Probably not. Everything has been status quo. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/74 "2021-08-03T21:40:15Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Even if it was a hurdle. Really? Cause the arguments I’ve heard in favor are that it’s trivially easy for anybody to get one and that such hurdles don’t exist - and shouldn’t in a functioning democracy. Almost like the goalposts are shifting before my eyes. But this is a separate discussion from the OP, which already accepts that Voter ID carries burdens that are non-trivial. As compared to getting a vaccination card, which actually is as easy as getting a vaccine - something we actually want everybody to do. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/75 "2021-08-03T21:41:51Z")
Getting back to the OP, if poor or black people are inconvenienced - too bad. We can’t let potential virus-infected people go about. The virus doesn’t care for race or privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/76 "2021-08-03T21:44:33Z")
Do you really not get it? This is totally the opposite of reality and what we want. We actually want everybody possible to get vaccinated. And we have made this as easy to do as we can. And cards are being given to anybody who gets one. There’s no “too bad” about it at all. The OP is just wrong. It’s not a matter of inconvenience at this point, it’s a matter of choice. It inconveniences EVERYBODY ELSE if they don’t, because it means the disease runs rampant that much longer. Your privilege is showing if you think this can somehow be limited by race or income level. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/77 "2021-08-03T21:51:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Getting back to the OP, if poor or black people are inconvenienced - too bad. Now we’re getting down to it! If they’re inconvenienced for what reason? This thread is all over the place. What is it that you are ok with? Voter ID? Covid vaccination? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/78 "2021-08-03T22:02:49Z")
I’m in favor of both voter ID and vaccination requirements, but as this thread is about the latter, I’ll leave the former out of it. Not only am I totally onboard with the ‘vaccine passport’ requirements, I’m even in favor of mandatory vaccination for _ **everyone** _, barring severe health exceptions. The reluctance for the Covid vaccine is almost always mental and fueled by fake news, and I see no reason to accomodate such folks. Let them be heavily fined if they don’t get the jab. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/79 "2021-08-03T22:13:21Z")
My question was about what you were Ok with inconveniencing “black people” about? ---
**Author:** ![LauderdaleFort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/977dab/32.png) [@LauderdaleFort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LauderdaleFort)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986/80 "2021-08-03T22:13:24Z")
I’m not saying, even remotely, that they are limited. I’m just saying the don’t at the same levels. My vaccine card is a terrible form of ID. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wont-vaccine-passports-affect-poorer-blacker-people-more-a-la-voter-id/947986.md?page=5)