# Woody Allen Is A Scumbag (rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489 "2003-09-29T15:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/321 "2014-02-08T04:04:38Z")
Woody Allen has posted a response: > **[Opinion | Woody Allen Speaks Out (Published 2014)](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0)** > > I naïvely thought the accusation would be dismissed. He says he passed a lie-detector test at the time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/322 "2014-02-08T06:18:36Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Woody Allen didn’t masturbate in a theater! That was Pee Wee Herman. That was Fred Willard. But what comedian hasn’t jacked-off in a theater? ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/323 "2014-02-08T07:48:36Z")
Fwiw, I think Farrow is some seriously fucked up person. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/324 "2014-02-08T12:24:28Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Woody Allen has posted a response: > [http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?hp&rref=opinion&\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0) > > He says he passed a lie-detector test at the time. I believe Woody Allen. I think Mia Farrow is a manipulative bitch, a woman scorned who has made it her life’s business to destroy the reputation of the man she presumably once loved. I feel sorry for Dylan. I don’t believe she was molested at all but I think she believes it and that’s sad. Mia Farrow has a lot to answer for. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/325 "2014-02-08T12:29:35Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Woody Allen has posted a response: > [http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?hp&rref=opinion&\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0) > > He says he passed a lie-detector test at the time. I realize that he is a good writer of fiction, but this rings 100% true for me. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/326 "2014-02-08T15:01:30Z")
And Dylan has posted a response to Woody’s response: > **[Dylan Farrow Responds to Woody Allen: ‘Distortions and Outright Lies’](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552/)** > > The director’s adopted daughter denies Allen’s suggestion that Mia Farrow coached her to say he sexually assaulted her. It’s hard to determine who’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/327 "2014-02-08T15:11:31Z")
Some facts here: On his August visit, Woody had supervised visitation with his three children. Mia told the supervisor that Woody was not to be alone with Dylan. He then disappeared alone with Dylan for about twenty minutes. When they returned, she wasn’t wearing anything under her sundress. He was not supposed to be alone with the children. Period. That was the court order. He ignored it. The final visitation scheduled was supervised visitation with Satchell. Woody said he would visit with all of the children or none of them. Moses told the judge he didn’t want visitation, and the court found that Woody’s relationship with Dylan, even if not sexual, was totally inappropriate for a seven year old child. They offered to consider supervised visitation if Allen got counselling. He refused. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/328 "2014-02-08T15:55:14Z")
Whose version of “fact” is that? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/329 "2014-02-08T23:02:35Z")
Yeah, I don’t know where that comes from but Dylan’s claim is that a sexual assault (I’m reading that as “rape” which can be different based on various individualized uses of the terms and also different in statute depending on the State) occurred on a certain day where one of Allen’s other children (Moses) has said Woody was never alone with Dylan. Further, Allen makes a common sense point to me, that this visit was after Farrow and Allen had a 100% and complete and extremely brutal falling out. It seems highly unlikely Farrow or the others on “her side” would let Allen wander off with Dylan during the visitation. We’ll never know what really happened but unlike a lot of sex abuse claims there’s actually a lot of exculpatory evidence on Allen’s side of this and a lot of the evidence Dylan or Farrow have suggested is weak or irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/330 "2014-02-08T23:32:25Z")
I hate to ask this, but has it actually been revealed exactly how specifically Allen allegedly raped his daughter? I ask because if an adult man had anally or vaginally penetrated a seven-year old girl, then I’d think there’d have been some really graphic physical evidence of it. Obviously if he was accused of other types of molestation, things are different. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/331 "2014-02-08T23:57:48Z")
> [@andros](#): > > The fuck are you talking about? Pee Wee Reese was never an actor. But he does make good peanut butter cups. > [@BrokenBriton](#): > > Fwiw, I think Farrow is some seriously fucked up person. > > Have a nice day. Preach it, Brother! She was over here a few years campaigning for peace in Cambodia and came across as a total ditzoid. And I have to wonder about the sanity of anyone who can be familiar with the facts of the case but still insist Allen is guilty because, after all, why would a child lie? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/332 "2014-02-09T00:05:38Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Preach it, Brother! **She was over here a few years** campaigning for peace in Cambodia and came across as a total ditzoid. And I have to wonder about the sanity of anyone who can be familiar with the facts of the case but still insist Allen is guilty because, after all, why would a child lie? I meant “a few years _ago_.” Thankfully she left after a couple of days. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/333 "2014-02-09T05:42:03Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I hate to ask this, but has it actually been revealed exactly how specifically Allen allegedly raped his daughter? > > I ask because if an adult man had anally or vaginally penetrated a seven-year old girl, then I’d think there’d have been some really graphic physical evidence of it. > > Obviously if he was accused of other types of molestation, things are different. My understanding of the allegations are that he fondled her genitals and, depending on how you read it, penetrated her with a finger. I believe there was also the allegation he had his face in her crotch on one occasion and she was later discovered to not be wearing underpants. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/334 "2014-02-10T12:19:59Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Some facts here: Gotta cite for your ‘facts’? > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I think he fucked up royally with his announcement not to prosecute, but apparently other than that, he was a good guy. > [shrug] IIRC, his announcement was ‘well, I think he did it, but I can’t prove it, so I’m not prosecuting but I still think he’s guilty’. It’s the slimiest, sleaziest, pass-the-buck move he could take - you don’t have evidence to prosecute, let alone convict, but you go out of your way to label the guy as a child molester? Fuck him, I don’t care what some former co-worker thinks of him. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/335 "2014-02-11T14:02:01Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Yeah, I don’t know where that comes from but Dylan’s claim is that a sexual assault (I’m reading that as “rape” which can be different based on various individualized uses of the terms and also different in statute depending on the State) occurred on a certain day where one of Allen’s other children (Moses) has said Woody was never alone with Dylan. Further, Allen makes a common sense point to me, that this visit was after Farrow and Allen had a 100% and complete and extremely brutal falling out. It seems highly unlikely Farrow or the others on “her side” would let Allen wander off with Dylan during the visitation. > > We’ll never know what really happened but unlike a lot of sex abuse claims there’s actually a lot of exculpatory evidence on Allen’s side of this and a lot of the evidence Dylan or Farrow have suggested is weak or irrelevant. I know Moses now says that Woody was never alone with Dylan, but honestly, does your average teenager in a large home with “six or seven” people (Moses’s words) actually track their whereabouts every minute? He didn’t get caught up in video games or reading or talking on the phone at all in that time frame? He can’t say if there were six or seven people present, but gosh darn it, all of them were in his sight for the whole afternoon? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/336 "2014-02-11T15:27:32Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > My understanding of the allegations are that he fondled her genitals and, depending on how you read it, penetrated her with a finger. I believe there was also the allegation he had his face in her crotch on one occasion and she was later discovered to not be wearing underpants. A babysitter saw Woody with his face on 7 year old Dylan’s lap, and she was not wearing underpants when they rejoined the group. Dylan stated that Woody fondled her genitals and penetrated her vagina with his finger. Several people had told Mia that Allen’s relationship with Dylan was “very vaguely creepy.” He was always separating her from other people, taking her alone into a room and closing the door. She used to run and scream “Hide me” when he came over. Both custody judges felt the relationship was inappropriate, and refused custody or visitation between the two. And the incident in question happened BEFORE Woody filed for custody. There was NO custody battle at the time. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/337 "2014-02-11T16:25:42Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > A babysitter saw Woody with his face on 7 year old Dylan’s lap, and she was not wearing underpants when they rejoined the group. Dylan stated that Woody fondled her genitals and penetrated her vagina with his finger. > > Several people had told Mia that Allen’s relationship with Dylan was “very vaguely creepy.” He was always separating her from other people, taking her alone into a room and closing the door. She used to run and scream “Hide me” when he came over. Both custody judges felt the relationship was inappropriate, and refused custody or visitation between the two. > > And the incident in question happened BEFORE Woody filed for custody. There was NO custody battle at the time. Again - cite? ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/338 "2014-02-11T17:00:56Z")
I’m not **Annie-Xmas** , but here’s a [cite](http://www.thewrap.com/woody-allen-abuse-allegations-dylan-farrow-timeline). Incident happened (or didn’t) on August 5; Allen filed for custody on August 13. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/339 "2014-02-11T17:10:12Z")
Oh, yeah, and Allen and Farrow were scheduled to sign an agreement on August 6 giving Farrow custody of the three children, $6000/month in child support, and limiting Allen to supervised visitation of the younger two until they reached the age of 12 (see [here](http://books.google.com/books?id=-K-fUx9zxb4C&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=%22woody+allen+%22support+agreement%22+$6000&source=bl&ots=XN9_9i9DaZ&sig=eDnVQHvW6hOtvrq_o71iTcS2Wxg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w1f6UonpIaLs0QHHhYGwDw&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22woody%20allen%20%22support%20agreement%22%20%246000&f=false)). They did not sign because of the events of August 5. But tell, me, does that agreement sound like Mia Farrow was _losing_? ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/340 "2014-02-11T18:25:53Z")
^ If you’re inferring she was or is rational, and capable of rational decision-making, count me out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=18)