# Woody Allen Is A Scumbag (rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489 "2003-09-29T15:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SanguineSpider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SanguineSpider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanguineSpider)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/21 "2003-09-29T18:35:18Z")
He’s a pig, IMHO. And why are pretty women trying to hook up with him in most of his movies? It’s his friggin’ fantasy! Look at him! I don’t like him and I don’t think Hollywood should kiss his ass anymore. He’s got issues. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/22 "2003-09-29T18:35:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by alice\_in\_wonderland \* > \*\*That being said, Woody had his trial and was found not-guilty. Fine. \*\* The case never went to trial. The DA declined to prosecute, based on the evidence. The big issue was Woody’s relationship with his and Mia’s adopted daughter Dylan. She accused him of molestation; he denied it. It was well established that his behavior with the child was very inappropriate and had included fondling. In his custody papers, he said his biological son Satchell was born in September (close, it was December) and Mia had accused Woody of molesting him (which was NEVER true). He tried to portray Mia as an unfit mother and a woman scorned. When his children said they didn’t want to see him, he accused Mia of “brainwashing” them. When the judge offered him visitation with his biological son Satchell, Allen refused, stating he wanted to visit with all of the children or none of them. The judge cut off all visitation. Woody married Soon-Yi. They live in France and have two adopted daughters. He does not see Mia or her family. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/23 "2003-09-29T18:40:08Z")
He was in a committed relationship - the evidence that he had ‘taken on a traditional paternal role’ wrt Soon Yi is not in evidence. They did not live in the same household, he did not spend the night there. Do you have evidence that he attended parent/teacher meetings, took her to doctors appointments, was involved in the decision making process for her education, religion, disciplin? My partner and I have been togehter for 17 years, starting from when my son was 2. we didn’t live in the same household, etc etc etc. He was “Mom’s boyfriend”, not “daddy”. Because of Soon Yi’s background, her age (IIRC) was under dispute. In any event, my recollection was that she was 17 or so, which, depending on the AOC wasn’t underage. The cheating behavior is what you’ve got him on. But it’s not illegal. Nor is it (traditionally) used as a reason to forever bar some one from adopting or anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/24 "2003-09-29T18:41:38Z")
> [@](#): > > When the judge offered him visitation with his biological son Satchell, Allen refused, stating he wanted to visit with all of the children or none of them. Ok then my point here is HE TOOK ON THE TRADITONAL ROLE AS FATHER TO THE CHILDREN with a statement like that. All those children were not his! Previn may be the father figure to Soon-Yi now but what type of relationship did Woody have with her while he was dating her mother? How could a father do these things to his own child? Fondling? I read that he took his thumb and stuck it in his daughters mouth and told her to suck on it. SICK SICK SICK ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/25 "2003-09-29T18:42:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bri1600bv \* > \*\*“Woody Allen is a perfect representation of Democratic ‘family values’.” > > - paraphrasing Newt Gingrich > > Woody Allen is part of the liberal intelligensia and so will not be prosecuted for anything. > \*\* Kinda like Bill Clinton, right? Jesus, how can you people be so psychotically partisan? -Joe, who believes that, as a rule, -isms are a bad thing ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/26 "2003-09-29T18:44:20Z")
I guess there is still a lot of questions - - of course they will never be anwsered. Can I just call him a scumbag without any facts to back me up? I think he has left enough questions to cause doubt and the facts that I do know (are enough) in my book to call him a scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/27 "2003-09-29T18:51:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > I guess there is still a lot of questions - - of course they will never be anwsered. Well there have been some answers above. And some of your original ‘facts’ have been refuted. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > Can I just call him a scumbag without any facts to back me up? of course you can. However that makes you a scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/28 "2003-09-29T18:56:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Isabelle > \*He was presumably having relations with an underage girl That’s a pretty big presumption. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/29 "2003-09-29T18:56:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bri1600bv \* > \*\*“Woody Allen is a perfect representation of Democratic ‘family values’.” > > - paraphrasing Newt Gingrich > \*\* Which wife was he on when he said that? Also, nice persecution complex. I refuse to see any movies by that Jeepers guy because of the molestation thing, just like i refuse to watch the Pianist due to that director’s problem. ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/30 "2003-09-29T18:58:32Z")
> [@](#): > > of course you can. However that makes you a scumbag. Well taking into consideration all that I have picked up from the posts. I still think he is a scumbag based on what evidence has been presented. I have enough facts that give me that impression. I don’t need anymore. Now I would like to know about the others mentioned in the above posts. Exactly why are they scumbags? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/31 "2003-09-29T18:59:37Z")
here, according to [this](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0696661/) Soon Yi’s year of birth is 1970. The whole bru ha ha w/Mia et al happened in [1996](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0001201/bio) so she was 26. Hardly a minor. and, doing the math, he entered her mom’s life when she was 16. So, if he did play a ‘fatherly role figure’, it wasn’t from childhood, nor did he know her as a child, but only as an older teen/young adult. you’re quite welcome to think him scum on any number of issues, but it doesn’t appear that there’s any evidence that she was under age at any point where there was contact. ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/32 "2003-09-29T19:00:54Z")
> [@](#): > > you’re quite welcome to think him scum on any number of issues, but it doesn’t appear that there’s any evidence that she was under age at any point where there was contact. Thank you for clearing that up. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/33 "2003-09-29T19:01:13Z")
I find it hard to believe they live in France. He’s dyed-in-the-wool New York and if he’s in France, it’s only part-time. Also, didn’t he and Soon have a child of their own…not adoption? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/34 "2003-09-29T19:01:38Z")
oops - reading further, the break up was in 1992, so Soon Yi was 22, not 26. but still no where near a minor. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/35 "2003-09-29T19:02:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > \*\* Exactly why are they scumbags? \*\* Well, I don’t actually think they are and I think **Eve** was being a bit tounge-in-cheek. The aforementioned stars had Hollywood in a tizzy over their “bad behaviour.” That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/36 "2003-09-29T19:05:58Z")
> [@](#): > > _bri1600bv_ > Here’s a link to an article about it. I know I’ll get flamed for McCarthyism (which is much worse than child molestation of course) or some such nonsense, but you may be interested. No, you’ll just get flamed for inducing so many yawns with your played out nonsense. What do you want to happen Victor Salva? He already went to jail for his crime, and they released him. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/37 "2003-09-29T19:11:31Z")
He’s scum. Even if he wasn’t her father, he was the father of her brothers and sisters. Having an affair with your wife / girlfriend’s daughter makes you scum. Having an affair with the sister of your children makes you scum in my eyes, and in the eyes of a lot of folks. ---
**Author:** ![Kaspar\_Hauser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@Kaspar\_Hauser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaspar_Hauser)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/38 "2003-09-29T19:12:59Z")
Scumbags are we Born to be free Just like the fish in the sea! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/39 "2003-09-29T19:32:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by autz \* > \*\*Having an affair with your wife / girlfriend’s daughter makes you scum. > > Having an affair with the sister of your children makes you scum in my eyes, and in the eyes of a lot of folks. \*\* what about having an affair w/your mother’s lover? your sister’s father? or is scumitis only one way? ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/40 "2003-09-29T19:39:29Z")
Hey, I agree, he’s a scumbag. But Mia parading her children in front of the press with horific and possibly coached stories certainly puts her as “Scumbag #2”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=3)