# Woody Allen Is A Scumbag (rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489 "2003-09-29T15:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/381 "2020-03-07T19:10:22Z")
“derriére-chapeautery” I am stealing this. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/382 "2020-03-07T19:11:36Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You going to wish them happy anniversary next year too? Sure will, as long as he’s still around. He _is_ 84, you know. If he is still around, I’m sure they’ll still be married, as theirs has proved one of the stronger show-biz marriages. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/383 "2020-03-07T19:18:58Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Moses Farrow is a lying scumbag. Woody Allen fans just don’t want to admit their guy’s a kitty diddler, even though the fucker married his stepdaughter when she was 18 and he was, what, 50? No, assholes, spare me the tired excuses about how she was of age and he wasn’t _legally_ her stepdad. It’s creepy and it doesn’t say you guys are all brave crusaders for poor rich downtrodden Hollywood kiddy diddlers. It adds an interesting aspect to the way dudes on this board slut shame 11-year-old gang rape victims and routinely accuse rape victims of lying. > > Trotting out variations of _butitsnotillegal!_ never seems to happen when the accused is a woman and the accusation is bullshit. Watching dudes on the Dope bend over to defend their male heros while accepting any accusation against any woman and then whining about being accused of sexism gets tedious. > > Here’s some links that you Allen apologists won’t read bit will demand. > > [Funny how Moses avoids the shit that makes his argument look bad, like the fact that Allen was in therapy for being creepy around Dylan, that Allen failed a polygraph, and the only thing that kept Woody from being tried was the prosecutor’s concern for Dylan’s fragility.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts/amp) There’s also some doubt as to whether or not Moses was even in the house that day. The police report does not list him as being present, it seems. Wikipedia says he was outside the house in the woods or something. Why should I link any more stuff? The Allen stans won’t read it. > > Ronan Farrow notes that [Woody offered him money]for his college fees if he’d change his tune.]([Ronan Farrow Responds to Brother’s Essay About Woody Allen](https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/ronan-farrow-responds-to-brothers-essay-about-woody-allen.html)) He didn’t. Looks like Moses did. > > [Moses doesn’t mention why, if Mia was so very very determined to blacken Woody’s name that she never went to the cops and that she tried to keep Allen’s name out of it.](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/05/moses-farrow-pens-essay-defending-woody-allen)Those evil feeeemales, conspiring to bring down illustrious men by…inventing the Russia Hoax so Hillary would win the election by stealing millions of votes only to lose by 80,000 votes and then conspiring with Ukraine to…huh? Oh, wait, different paranoid women-are-evil campaign. Sorry. > > Funny how none of the doods here cite _Dylan herself._[Looks like Woody finally whipped out that checkbook.](https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/dylan-farrow-slams-woody-allen-defense.html) Moses is quite a guy. While his brother brings down sexual predators, Moses dumps his pregnant wife. Plus all these defenses of Woody rely heavily on the scorned woman trope, which simply does not exist for men. People recite the phrase, “Heaven hath no fury,” at the drop of a hat, but there’s no like phrase for women. > > Anyway, toodles. I look forward to you all not reading one goddamned thing and responding with nitpicks and derriére-chapeautery. _According to the judge’s decision, Farrow told Allen, “You look at her [Dylan] in a sexual way. You fondled her . . . You don’t give her any breathing room. You look at her when she’s naked.”_ And yet, Mia Farrow did not prevent Woody from being around her and invited him to a party at her house with dozens of people around and Woody took her up into an attic and took her underpants off. Because that is how child molesters usually act, not in secrecy and shame, but when people are aroung to catch them. Are you going to read this? > **[The Woody Allen Controversy Reader: Why Maureen Orth’s “10 Undeniable Facts...](https://levine2001.medium.com/the-woody-allen-controversy-reader-why-maureen-orths-10-undeniable-facts-about-the-woody-allen-5f26791c15a0)** > > When debating the allegations by Dylan Farrow that Woody Allen had molested her on a single occasion in August 1992, many people in support… The article is complete bullshit. It is beyond bullshit, we have to invent another word. Man, I appreciate your point of view, you believe Dylan was molested, Ok. I am not a male defender of child abuse by a hero and neither is anyone else on this board, how dare you make that accusation. When the allegations first came out I was very disturbed about them. I liked his movies; did I have to stop watching them? Yes, if the allegations were true. And I read many articles about it, and I was not selectively reading them to find the ones that absolved my “hero.” Usually when an accusation is made, you presume innocence, but in the case of child molestation, I presume guilt because very few women accuse men of molestion, or rape, when it is not true. But it happens. Mia Farrow is a goddamn monster being hailed as a hero. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/384 "2020-03-07T19:22:39Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Moses Farrow is a lying scumbag. Woody Allen fans just don’t want to admit their guy’s a kitty diddler, even though the fucker married his stepdaughter when she was 18 and he was, what, 50? For somebody upset that others aren’t looking at this clear eyed, you’d think you would care about facts. Allen’s wife was never his stepdaughter, and he married her when she was 27. > [@](#): > > No, assholes, spare me the tired excuses about how she was of age and he wasn’t _legally_ her stepdad. It’s creepy and it doesn’t say you guys are all brave crusaders for poor rich downtrodden Hollywood kiddy diddlers. It adds an interesting aspect to the way dudes on this board slut shame 11-year-old gang rape victims and routinely accuse rape victims of lying. > > Trotting out variations of _butitsnotillegal!_ never seems to happen when the accused is a woman and the accusation is bullshit. Watching dudes on the Dope bend over to defend their male heros while accepting any accusation against any woman and then whining about being accused of sexism gets tedious. The issue is simply whether he molested a child, not whether he’s a creep. You seem to think proof of the latter makes the former true. Others think that’s a leap too far. (And, for what it’s worth, I don’t have any special love for Allen. I’ve only seen, I think, one of his movies. But I have read this entire thread and I think the issue of child molestation is very uncertain). > [@](#): > > Here’s some links that you Allen apologists won’t read bit will demand. > > [Funny how Moses avoids the shit that makes his argument look bad, like the fact that Allen was in therapy for being creepy around Dylan, that Allen failed a polygraph, and the only thing that kept Woody from being tried was the prosecutor’s concern for Dylan’s fragility.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts/amp) There’s also some doubt as to whether or not Moses was even in the house that day. The police report does not list him as being present, it seems. Wikipedia says he was outside the house in the woods or something. Why should I link any more stuff? The Allen stans won’t read it. > > Ronan Farrow notes that [Woody offered him money]for his college fees if he’d change his tune.]([Ronan Farrow Responds to Brother’s Essay About Woody Allen](https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/ronan-farrow-responds-to-brothers-essay-about-woody-allen.html)) He didn’t. Looks like Moses did. > > [Moses doesn’t mention why, if Mia was so very very determined to blacken Woody’s name that she never went to the cops and that she tried to keep Allen’s name out of it.](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/05/moses-farrow-pens-essay-defending-woody-allen)Those evil feeeemales, conspiring to bring down illustrious men by…inventing the Russia Hoax so Hillary would win the election by stealing millions of votes only to lose by 80,000 votes and then conspiring with Ukraine to…huh? Oh, wait, different paranoid women-are-evil campaign. Sorry. > > Funny how none of the doods here cite _Dylan herself._[Looks like Woody finally whipped out that checkbook.](https://www.thecut.com/2018/05/dylan-farrow-slams-woody-allen-defense.html) Moses is quite a guy. While his brother brings down sexual predators, Moses dumps his pregnant wife. Plus all these defenses of Woody rely heavily on the scorned woman trope, which simply does not exist for men. People recite the phrase, “Heaven hath no fury,” at the drop of a hat, but there’s no like phrase for women. > > Anyway, toodles. I look forward to you all not reading one goddamned thing and responding with nitpicks and derriére-chapeautery. Ironically, these were cited earlier in this thread. They are the statements of people on one side of the argument, but they are largely unsubstantiated and certainly not proven. By the way, your links don’t say that Allen ever “failed” a polygraph. Also, Farrow taking a child to a doctor to report abuse is exactly how most people get abuse reported, so if she did want the police to get involved that would be the way to do it. Also, they idea that he tried to bribe the kids with help for college is dumb - you don’t think they could afford it otherwise? And if you read all of the information, you’ll note that the DA declined to prosecute after their own forensic interviews came back doubting the victim’s veracity - you don’t think that may have played a role? It’s entirely possible to come to a decision that this is an unproven assertion while reading all of the links and acting in good faith. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/385 "2020-03-07T19:35:24Z")
I have to add this. The very first paragraph of your post says "the fucker married his stepdaughter when she was 18 and he was, what, 50? " And so fucking what? They are still together. And yes technically Soon Yi was his stepdaughter. An adopted girl from a woman he was not married to and with whom he had no interaction when she was being raised. The worst thing you can realistically accuse Woody of is being insensitive to Mia when he started dating Soon Yi. But they have been together since that day, it is obviously true love. Got a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/386 "2020-03-07T19:38:39Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > And so fucking what? They are still together. And yes technically Soon Yi was his stepdaughter. An adopted girl from a woman he was not married to and with whom he had no interaction when she was being raised. The worst thing you can realistically accuse Woody of is being insensitive to Mia when he started dating Soon Yi. But they have been together since that day, it is obviously true love. Got a problem with that? Soon-yi was not his stepdaughter in any sense of the word. But I appreciate your viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/387 "2020-03-07T19:49:22Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Soon-yi was not his stepdaughter in any sense of the word. But I appreciate your viewpoint. I’m confused. I thought I was clear in saying she was not a stepdaughter in “any sense of the word.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/388 "2020-03-08T00:13:27Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I have to add this. The very first paragraph of your post says "the fucker married his stepdaughter when she was 18 and he was, what, 50? " Anyone who asserts that someone can legally marry their daughter, adopted daughter, or step-daughter is an out and out moron and does not deserve to have an audience of people with actual functioning brains. The Allens are in a legal marriage. > [@](#): > > And so fucking what? They are still together. And yes technically Soon Yi was his stepdaughter. An adopted girl from a woman he was not married to and with whom he had no interaction when she was being raised. The worst thing you can realistically accuse Woody of is being insensitive to Mia when he started dating Soon Yi. But they have been together since that day, it is obviously true love. Got a problem with that? I think you meant that “no, technically Soon Ye was **not** his step-daughter”. Technically and legally she was not his step-daughter. Other than that, I’ve no problem with their marriage for two reasons: 1-It’s really not my business (mainly because no law was broken), and 2-as you said, they’ve been in a long loving marriage. Good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/389 "2020-03-08T00:34:32Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Anyone who asserts that someone can legally marry their daughter, adopted daughter, or step-daughter is an out and out moron and does not deserve to have an audience of people with actual functioning brains. The Allens are in a legal marriage. > > I think you meant that “no, technically Soon Ye was **not** his step-daughter”. Technically and legally she was not his step-daughter. Other than that, I’ve no problem with their marriage for two reasons: 1-It’s really not my business (mainly because no law was broken), and 2-as you said, they’ve been in a long loving marriage. Good for them. Can anyone here untwist this idiot’s argument? First he is creeping out because of the age differnce, now he says it is ok. _Anyone who asserts that someone can legally marry their daughter, adopted daughter, or step-daughter is an out and out moron_ Woody Allen didn’t adopt her you, in your words and I’ll add an adjective, you fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/390 "2020-03-08T00:43:25Z")
Are you fuckinng illiterate? I quite clearly pointed out that the person asserting the nonsense was the person you quoted. p.s. Read your post where you said: > [@](#): > > And yes technically Soon Yi was his stepdaughter. Maybe you were in a hurry posting and in a hurry reading. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/391 "2020-03-08T00:44:00Z")
I’ve read some of the pro and con essays, and I’ve just now finished reading [the entire judgment](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866) of the famous 1993 trial in which Allen tried to gain custody of Dylan, Satchel, and Moses (scroll down for the full document). It’s a well-written ruling that probably provides a more balanced perspective than any of the personal rants written by the different participants and their supporters. The trial was notable not just because Allen lost, but because he lost devastatingly. The judge seemed to think of Allen as a self-absorbed neurotic who was terrible at parenting. Not only was he denied his custody request, he was also denied visitation rights to Dylan and Satchel for the immediate future. His entire custody suit was termed “frivolous” and he was required to pay Mia’s full legal costs. The judge’s ruling was described as “scathing”. As for the allegations of abuse of Dylan, two separate investigations failed to find any conclusive evidence, and as the judge stated in his ruling, “we will probably never know what happened”. So what do we conclude from this objective summation in a nutshell? Is Woody Allen in fact a “scumbag”? My position on this is that I don’t know and I don’t give a shit. What I do know is that in the intervening 25 years since these events, Allen has made roughly that same number of movies, in addition to the incredibly funny early ones, and many A-list actors have been desperate for the privilege of being in them, some of them working to scale just for the opportunity to work with Allen. Not all his movies have been gems, by any means, but many of them really were, and some others less than stellar but still quite enjoyable. And now? Many actors are distancing himself from him, I believe Amazon canceled financing for his latest film, and Hatchett is now refusing to publish his new book. The only thing that’s changed over that time is the rise of the #MeToo movement, which has done many good things (may Harvey Weinstein rot in hell) but I wonder if it may be becoming such a strong social force that it’s overwhelming balanced judgment. Allen is mostly a scriptwriter and director and has written very few books, and I was looking forward to this one because even at his age I think he’s still talented and funny. What useful, objective purpose is served by cancelling the movie and the book? Remember Jordan Belfort (the “wolf of Wall Street”)? A true scumbag, thief, and drug addict who was sentenced to 4 years in prison and fined $110 million for securities fraud. He published not one but two books about his exploits, and was then a consultant on a major movie starring Leonardo diCaprio and directed by Martin Scorsese. Why was that OK? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/392 "2020-03-08T00:46:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Are you fuckinng illiterate? I quite clearly pointed out that the person asserting the nonsense was the person you quoted. Yes, but you quoted Mike Mabes when you did it. That confused him. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/393 "2020-03-08T00:57:37Z")
Got it, **needscoffee**. So, **Mike** , actually I was agreeing with you. I’ll try to be much more clear in the future. Oh, by the way, full disclosure here. I was falsely accused of a crime years ago. It was not a fun experience. I tend to get a bit insistent during discussions involving false allegations of crime. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/394 "2020-03-08T17:51:09Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Remember Jordan Belfort (the “wolf of Wall Street”)? A true scumbag, thief, and drug addict who was sentenced to 4 years in prison and fined $110 million for securities fraud. He published not one but two books about his exploits, and was then a consultant on a major movie starring Leonardo diCaprio and directed by Martin Scorsese. Why was that OK? Who said it was? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/395 "2020-03-08T18:02:40Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Who said it was? Believe it or not, Tommy Chong, of Cheech and Chong fame. Apparently, Belfort and Chong were inmates together (Chong for selling marijuana paraphernalia) and Chong encouraged Belfort to write a book about his life. [https://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-belforts-prison-bunkmate-was-tommy-chong-2014-2%3Famp](https://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-belforts-prison-bunkmate-was-tommy-chong-2014-2%3famp) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/396 "2020-03-09T00:05:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Who said it was? Virtually everybody. When the convicted felon Jordan Belfort published a book about his life of crime, drugs, and debauchery, was there any backlash? None that I know of. It became a best-seller and brought him millions. When he published a second one that was really just a poor follow-on to exploit the popularity of the first, was there any backlash? None that I know of. When his story was made into a major motion picture, _The Wolf of Wall Street_, was there any backlash? None that I know of. When the movie was nominated for five Academy Awards, was there any backlash? None that I know of. Incidentally, almost the same pattern – book followed by a major movie – could be described about the major fraudster Frank Abagnale (_Catch Me if You Can_, both movies coincidentally starring Leonardo diCaprio and other major actors and directed by two of the biggest directors in the film industry). Yet when Hachette Book Group published a new book by Woody Allen – who has never been charged with anything – the staff staged a walkout in protest and the publisher was forced to cancel the book’s release. At the same time, AIUI Amazon cancelled financing for his new film. Speculation is that his career as a director is over. The inconsistency and hypocrisy here is palpable. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/397 "2020-03-09T00:37:12Z")
Odd, isn’t it, that a lot of Hollywood types celebrate Roman Polanski, an actual convicted sex offender, but condemn Allen, a false accused person? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/398 "2020-03-09T01:31:14Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Odd, isn’t it, that a lot of Hollywood types celebrate Roman Polanski, an actual convicted sex offender, but condemn Allen, a false accused person? This is a fallacious argument. Which persons specifically meet both parts of your claim? And which of them have offered unconvincing reasons for doing so? This amounts to a “How come I’ve never heard a Muslim condemn terroris?” type statement. And even if there were something true about this claim, what exactly are you implying by it? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/399 "2020-03-09T03:24:09Z")
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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/400 "2020-03-09T15:56:49Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Virtually everybody. Let me rephrase that - who, here, arguing with you, has said that one is OK and the other isn’t? I personally think they are \*both \*not OK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=21)