# Woody Allen Is A Scumbag (rant) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489 "2003-09-29T15:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/61 "2003-09-30T13:00:19Z")
**glee** I have a post up in Great Debates about this very subject. I haven’t figured out how to link SDMB links from one to the other so I will just tell you that it is listed as: (incest) What was God Thinking? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/62 "2003-09-30T13:05:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*(added name of “he”) > > Oh, **Eve** - white courtesy phone, paging **Eve** to the white courtesy phone! \*\* —That’s another whole thread in itself. If you mean Maude Delmont, you have a point. If you mean poor Virginia Rappe, _she_ was the victim in that case much more so than Arbuckle. ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/63 "2003-09-30T13:07:18Z")
Come on now…quit talking about people I don’t know! \ Give me a cite please ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/64 "2003-09-30T13:15:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > \*\*Come on now…quit talking about people I don’t know! \ > Give me a cite please \*\* Google ‘em, darlin’. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/65 "2003-09-30T13:26:15Z")
Lily Langtree gives head for gin money! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/66 "2003-09-30T13:37:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > **I have long felt that any woman who has to kiss him on-screen should get an automatic Oscar nomination.** And yet, the man has more sweet babes lining up to kiss him than I’ll ever see in my lifetime. > [@](#): > > **And Woody hasn’t made a good movie since the '70’s.** Yeah, what was up with Hannah and her Sisters? It was not nearly as funny as Bananas. And Deconstructing Harry? It didn’t even have gigantic produce like Sleeper. What’s up with that? ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/67 "2003-09-30T13:48:33Z")
Let us not forget the Mighty Aphrodite, which only catapulted Mira Sorvino to stardom. The guy knows how to make movies! ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/68 "2003-09-30T14:06:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Annie-Xmas \* > **When did Mia parade her children in front of the media with possibly couched stories? She shielded them from the media during the whole event.** By sheilding, do you mean “put ridiculous glasses on”? Because that is one image that was seared into my brain during that whole media circus, is that poor kid, obviously scared as hell, doing a press conference set up by her mother. Mia was yammering in front of the cameras every chance she had. Am I the only one who recalls this? ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/69 "2003-09-30T15:41:34Z")
> [@](#): > > ## quote: > > Originally posted by wring > (added name of “he”) > > ## Oh, Eve - white courtesy phone, paging Eve to the white courtesy phone! > > —That’s another whole thread in itself. If you mean Maude Delmont, you have a point. If you mean poor Virginia Rappe, she was the victim in that case much more so than Arbuckle. [http://silent-movies.com/Arbucklemania/LABORDAY.html](http://silent-movies.com/Arbucklemania/LABORDAY.html) A victim, yes; but a victim of Arbuckle? ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/70 "2003-09-30T15:44:36Z")
She changed the children’s names. What is up with that? She changed Satchell (the birth son of Woody) to Seamus. Is that a strange name or what? He changed their adopted daughter Dylan’s name to Eliza. What purpose did this serve? The kids are the ones that suffer through all this crap! ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/71 "2003-09-30T16:11:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ilsa\_Lund \* > \*\*[http://silent-movies.com/Arbucklemania/LABORDAY.html](http://silent-movies.com/Arbucklemania/LABORDAY.html) > > A victim, yes; but a victim of Arbuckle? \*\* That article’s fulla crap. Arbuckle’s champions painted Virginia Rappe as a disease-ridden whore to make her a more aceptable loss—“ahh, she had it coming.” Actually, medical reocrds show she died of an untreated bladder infection; the VD and abortion stories have no documentation at all. She also had a burgeoning film career and got terrific reviews in her few performances. As far as whose fault her death was, one has to lay blame on everyone at that party who let her languish in agony for more than a day without seeking any medical attention, for fear of their own reputation. So, while Fatty Arbuckle was not guilty of initally injuring her, he was complicit in involuntary manslaughter, as were many others. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/72 "2003-09-30T16:13:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > \*\ ***glee** I have a post up in Great Debates about this very subject. I haven’t figured out how to link SDMB links from one to the other so I will just tell you that it is listed as: > (incest) What was God Thinking? \*\* 1400 posts and you can’t cut & paste a URL? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/73 "2003-09-30T16:20:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Annie-Xmas \* > \*\*Some clarifications: > > Soon-Yi’s age and date of birth are unclear. She was left at a Korean orphanage. She was in high school and around 17 at the time of the affair with Woody. > > \*\* Gotta cite for that? according to the links I put up on the first page (detailing Soon-Yi’s date of birth, 1970, and Mia’s break up w/ Woody, 1992), it puts her age at 22 or so. I agree, too that her actual DOB is probably not correct (since she was left at an orphanage), but I doubt that her real bday would have been substantially later than that posted (It’s more likely that they underestimated her age, guessing that she may have been small for her age etc.). In any event, according to the links I provided, she was in her 20’s at the time. and re: how impressionable etc. 20’s females are etc etc etc. Give me a fucking break. In this country, we have no goddam problem prosecuting 14 year old kids as adults (and younger), the age of consent varies, but certainly at 20+ they’ve gotten beyond it. this was her **mother’s** lover. It was a shitty thing for **her** to have done to Mia as well. and it’s no ‘technicality’ that she was of age. She was. Most folks do ‘mature’ somewhat as they age, and yea, probably she’s more mature now in her 30’s than she was in her 20’s . but so fucking what? She was an adult in every sense of the word, and responsible for the decisions she made (as were Monica Lewinsky and Chandra Levy). to play it out as 'well, they didn’t really have complete control over themselves ‘cause you know, they were young and impressionable, and those men were older, charismatic and powerful’ is playing a victim card for women that I’m not willing to play. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/74 "2003-09-30T16:27:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > \*\*She changed Satchell (the birth son of Woody) to Seamus. Is that a strange name or what? \*\* Satchell you’re okay with, but Seamus is right out? > [@](#): > > \*\*He changed their adopted daughter Dylan’s name to Eliza. \*\*A who to the what now? Who changed the name, him or her? > [@](#): > > \*\*What purpose did this serve? > > The kids are the ones that suffer through all this crap! \*\* Are we still discussing what a shithead Woody Allen is? Or have we moved on to what a shithead Mia Farrow is? And won’t somebody think fo the children? Who, of course, we are presuming Woody molested. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/75 "2003-09-30T16:38:59Z")
This is the end of the hijack, I promise. > [@](#): > > As far as whose fault her death was, one has to lay blame on everyone at that party who let her languish in agony for more than a day without seeking any medical attention, for fear of their own reputation. So, while Fatty Arbuckle was not guilty of initally injuring her, he was complicit in involuntary manslaughter, as were many others. I understand, but being complicit in involuntary manslaughter is not the same as being a raping, murdering SOB. ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/76 "2003-09-30T16:40:04Z")
Ah **carrot** I meant to say MIA changed their names. I do not like the name Satchell or Seamus. They sound very odd. Woody named his new adopted daughter Beshay (I am not spelling it right but that is how it is pronounced) it is after a saxaphone player’s last name. UGH! Yes I feel for the children. That is why I said in my earlier post they are the ones that suffer. Mia is not a martyer as she would portray herself to be. You don’t adopt children because it is a novel idea. Hell go adopt a poodle! Why would you adopt 10 special needs children and then depend on “hired help” to help you raise them because you don’t have the energy and resources? her special needs children need SPECIAL love and care. Why not adopt one and give it all you got? Why try and spread yourself so thin that you no longer exist as an individual? ---
**Author:** ![Isabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5a626/32.png) [@Isabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isabelle)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/77 "2003-09-30T16:45:28Z")
Ah **carrot** I meant to say MIA changed their names. I do not like the name Satchell or Seamus. They sound very odd. Woody named his new adopted daughter Beshay (I am not spelling it right but that is how it is pronounced) it is after a saxaphone player’s last name. UGH! Yes I feel for the children. That is why I said in my earlier post they are the ones that suffer. Mia is not a martyer as she would portray herself to be. You don’t adopt children because it is a novel idea. Hell go adopt a poodle! Why would you adopt 10 special needs children and then depend on “hired help” to help you raise them because you don’t have the energy and resources? her special needs children need SPECIAL love and care. Why not adopt one and give it all you got? Why try and spread yourself so thin that you no longer exist as an individual? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/78 "2003-09-30T16:48:43Z")
Seamus is a traditional Irish name. Doesn’t sound odd to me. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/79 "2003-09-30T16:49:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Isabelle \* > \*\*I do not like the name Satchell or Seamus. They sound very odd. \*\* So sorry. Well, at least you can be sure that **I** will consult you before naming my children. Well, not really. But I will laugh at you for being so incredibly arrogant. > [@](#): > > **Woody named his new adopted daughter Beshay (I am not spelling it right but that is how it is pronounced) it is after a saxaphone player’s last name. UGH!** Oh, sweet Jesus on a pogo stick! You mean someone named their child after a personal hero? Talk about your crimes against humanity! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489/80 "2003-09-30T17:02:28Z")
Isabelle, do you know how Seamus is pronounced, or have you just encountered it in print? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/woody-allen-is-a-scumbag-rant/204489.md?page=5)