# Words Fail Me \[infanticide\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989 "2006-02-24T22:56:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/1 "2006-02-24T22:56:54Z")
[Father gets life for baby murder](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4746642.stm) 92 days old you fucking bastard. 22 years is not enough. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/2 "2006-02-24T23:04:00Z")
That’s just round the corner from where my grandparents lived. > [@](#): > > Paul O’Neil, 33, from Newcastle, held the face of his three-month-old son Aaron against a gas fire and later fractured his skull with a head blow. Plus _five_ counts of GBH. Holy living fuck. Makes this story, [Couple return adopted baby because it “didn’t work out”](http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0224/104057617HM1COULTER.html), which I intended to pit, pale into insignificance. Jesus fucking Christ, what a monster. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2006, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/3 "2006-02-24T23:06:12Z")
What an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/4 "2006-02-24T23:29:51Z")
That’s fucked up. May i be permitted to add another [story](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4743354.stm), also from the UK, about an equally contemptible person? > [@](#): > > A man who raped his unconscious teenage stepdaughter as she lay dying from a head injury has been jailed for nine years at the High Court in Glasgow. > > \ > > The court heard Kerry had fallen ill after taking a cocktail of alcohol and drugs. > > Her death less than two and a half hours after being raped was caused by head injuries sustained during falls. > > These included a fall down stairs after which McKee took her to his bed and raped her. > > He was found in bed with his stepdaughter by a relative. This sort of stuff, and the OP’s story, just boggle the mind. ---
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/5 "2006-02-25T10:00:06Z")
What does GBH stand for? ---
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/6 "2006-02-25T10:01:09Z")
Never mind, my brain finally caught up to the information it was given. ---
**Author:** ![Dervorin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Dervorin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dervorin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/7 "2006-02-25T10:07:37Z")
> [@TellMeI'mNotCrazy](#): > > What does GBH stand for? IIRC, it stands for Grevious Bodily Harm. ---
**Author:** ![GawnFishin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GawnFishin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GawnFishin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/8 "2006-02-25T10:08:16Z")
> [@TellMeI'mNotCrazy](#): > > What does GBH stand for? I’m guessing, grievous bodily harm. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/9 "2006-02-25T16:09:20Z")
**rayh** , please make a descriptive thread title in the future. I’ve edited this one. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/10 "2006-02-25T16:16:06Z")
And yet, people still argue against the death penalty on the basis that it’s cruel and that it goes against the concept of “sanctity of life”. Uh, no. Holding an infant’s face in a fire and then fracturing his skull abridges the concept of sanctity of life. Executing the asshole who did so is simply justice. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/11 "2006-02-25T16:42:29Z")
> [@TellMeI'mNotCrazy](#): > > What does GBH stand for? I thought it was a drug. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/12 "2006-02-25T16:55:28Z")
> [@TellMeI'mNotCrazy](#): > > What does GBH stand for? Great British Hero. OK, OK, that was unnecessary. Sorry. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/13 "2006-02-25T17:03:03Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Great British Hero. > > OK, OK, that was unnecessary. Sorry. > > 😛 Sorry. This American thought GBH was a relatively frequently-used Britishism for “Great British Hero,” normally used sardonically. I was under that impression because of the Birmingham pun k band, GBH…which I just found out does NOT stand for Great British Hero. Apparently, I just made that up. I’ll go with Great Blue Heron, then. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/14 "2006-02-25T17:10:12Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > I thought it was a drug. Well, it’s that too, but in England i believe that Assault with Grievous Bodily Harm is sort of the equivalent to America’s Aggravated Assault. ---
**Author:** ![Tevildo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Tevildo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tevildo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/15 "2006-02-25T18:14:31Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > I thought it was a drug. No, that’s GHB, Gamma Hydroxybutyrate. And, on the “cases that support captial punishment” issue, how about [this](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stm)? The worst excesses of fiction always pale in comparison to what people actually are prepared to do. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/16 "2006-02-25T19:07:32Z")
Words fail me as well. I do think that as a society, we have the right to permanently remove from our midst, ‘people’ who perpetrate acts so unconscionable. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/17 "2006-02-25T19:24:30Z")
From Tevildo’s link: “The baby’s mother was unaware of the abuse until detectives visited her home after finding photographs detailing the abuse at Webster’s home.” The article must have left something out. Abuse that would show in a photo should be evident to mom. What’s missing in people who can even conceive of stuff like this, let alone actually doing it? Is there more than one species of human? We need to look at their brains. Where’s Dr. Lecter? ---
**Author:** ![Margeuerite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Margeuerite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Margeuerite)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/18 "2006-02-25T20:06:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Tevildo** > And, on the “cases that support captial punishment” issue, how about [this?](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stm) The worst excesses of fiction always pale in comparison to what people actually are prepared to do. What’s up with the disparity in the sentencing in this case? Webster (the man) received a life sentence; the woman (French) admitted one more “indencent assault” charge and three more rape charges than Webster, yet she only received a five year prison sentence. Now Webster admitted to additional separate charges, and for all I know he may have a prior record and French may not, but would this justify the disparity in sentencing? I don’t mean to hijack the OP, but Judge Findlay Baker is quoted in the article as saying that French “looked forward to [the crimes]” BUT that she "was also a victim and had come under Webster’s ‘malign influence’ and was to some extent ‘corrupted by him’. " What? So if I want to commit some horrible crime, all I have to do is go find a man who will “influence” me so that I can later get off on the charges? Because after all, everyone knows that women are physically incapable of harming children. :rolleyes: What shame to the criminal justice system, who will set a rapist free in five years (if she even serves that long) so that some male judge can keep his warm fuzzy mommy fantasies intact. Gd forbid this was your child who was harmed, Judge Baker. I’m glad to be informed now that women can never do anything especially heinous unless under the influence of a Big Bad Male. I guess my feminist professor was right–women aren’t even good enough to be the Devil. Heaven help those families who are victimized by female sex offenders, because they’ll rarely get justice. ---
**Author:** ![Tevildo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Tevildo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tevildo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/19 "2006-02-25T20:20:11Z")
It appears that there’s going to be an AG’s reference ( [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4674980.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4674980.stm) ) on this case, so the sentence disparity will be reconsidered. Without reading the entire judgement, it’s impossible to say why there _is_ such a difference. I agree that it doesn’t seem fair, though. ---
**Author:** ![TJdude825](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@TJdude825](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TJdude825)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2006, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989/20 "2006-02-26T06:13:04Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > And yet, people still argue against the death penalty on the basis that it’s cruel and that it goes against the concept of “sanctity of life”. Killing people is cruel and against the sanctity of life. Yeah, I would agree with that statement. > [@](#): > > Uh, no. Holding an infant’s face in a fire and then fracturing his skull abridges the concept of sanctity of life. I agree with you here as well. Government-sanctioned infant-face-in-fire-holding and infant-skull-fracturing should cease immediately. > [@](#): > > Executing the asshole who did so is simply justice. And yet, I disagree with you on this point. The logic doesn’t quite follow. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-fail-me-infanticide/345989.md?page=2)