# Words that make you cringe when people pronounce the whole thing! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 17, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385 "2016-02-17T22:48:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/101 "2016-02-26T02:50:26Z")
> [@pianodave](#): > > Hi SD, > > It bothers me when people say often as “off-ten” or forward as “fore-ward”. It’s always been “offin” and “fo’word” for me. What are some others, that when people pronounce the whole damn word, you cringe? They make you sound pretentious! > > Is there a name for words like this? Not being a poor Southern sharecropper myself, I do pronounce the R in “forward.” And while I don’t pronounce the T in “often,” it seems to be quite common. > [@the\_diego](#): > > ‘Thai’ isn’t pronounced like it’s a part of the body. D’oh!:smack: Well, now I know why I get all those funny looks when I speak of all the lovely thighs over here. My grandmother used to way “rinsh” for “rinse.” I think it was common for her area of rural Arkansas. But far from making me cringe, I would love for her to be around still for me to hear it again. ---
**Author:** ![Cugel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cugel/32/1199_2.png) [@Cugel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cugel)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/102 "2016-02-26T08:43:59Z")
I listen to an occasional audio book, usually narrated by USAians, this one I’ve noticed a couple of times recently: shone pronounced as “shown” - it that normal? It’s “shon”, rhyming with Jon, for me. And speaking of Jon, the Stewart variety says “fo’ward” ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/103 "2016-02-26T09:29:58Z")
> [@Cugel](#): > > I listen to an occasional audio book, usually narrated by USAians, this one I’ve noticed a couple of times recently: shone pronounced as “shown” - it that normal? Yes, that’s the standard pronunciation here. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/104 "2016-02-26T09:44:56Z")
I’ve noticed that some people pronounce “solder” as “sodder”. I don’t know why they do, it sounds very weird and unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/105 "2016-02-26T13:37:00Z")
How else would you pronounce it? I’ve never heard it pronounced another way. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/106 "2016-02-26T14:56:09Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > “Owp-ning.” Try singing the Ascot song in “My Fair Lady” when pronouncing it “oh-pe-ning.” > > “Par-liment.” > > Here in my country, parents sometimes name their baby boys “Joffrey” with an ‘o.’ Opening is an oddone. I pronounce it both ways, depending on use. Opening Day at the ballpark I’d say Ohp-ning Day. But if I arrive at a closed store and an employee arrives with a key I will ask “are you oh-pe-ning up soon?” ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/107 "2016-02-26T15:21:15Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I’ve noticed that some people pronounce “solder” as “sodder”. I don’t know why they do, it sounds very weird and unnecessary. Probably because that’s how it’s pronounced. I may be feeling a whoosh go by. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/108 "2016-02-26T16:02:26Z")
^ Probably says “tin” (verb). ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/109 "2016-02-26T16:26:23Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I’ve noticed that some people pronounce “solder” as “sodder”. I don’t know why they do, it sounds very weird and unnecessary. > [@Ludovic](#): > > How else would you pronounce it? I’ve never heard it pronounced another way. > [@gigi](#): > > Probably because that’s how it’s pronounced. I may be feeling a whoosh go by. I grew up hearing it pronounced “Saw der” and I still use that pronunciation today. It’s a subtle difference, but different nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/110 "2016-02-26T22:32:23Z")
We’ve done “solder” before. And incredibly we had a small minority who pronounced it how it’s spelled: “sol” like in “solid” and “der” like in “bladder”. And who were mystified to learn there are other ways to pronounce it. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/111 "2016-02-26T22:59:02Z")
Yes, that was my point. We have always pronounced it with the L. Why have a silent L in the middle like that? It seems very odd to me. “sol-der” ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/112 "2016-02-26T23:18:13Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I’ve noticed that some people pronounce “solder” as “sodder”. I don’t know why they do, it sounds very weird and unnecessary. I hadn’t heard that one before, and I thank you not for bringing it to my attention 😛 [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tE9yJpzRI) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/xwIHFmagmyk/maxresdefault.jpg "How to Pronounce Solder") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIHFmagmyk) ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/113 "2016-02-27T01:30:14Z")
“Sodder” is the correct American pronunciation of solder. ---
**Author:** ![Cugel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cugel/32/1199_2.png) [@Cugel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cugel)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/114 "2016-02-27T01:45:20Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Yes, that was my point. We have always pronounced it with the L. Why have a silent L in the middle like that? It seems very odd to me. > > “sol-der” Once we’ve got 'em to put the l back in solder, we can work on taking the u out of buoy. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/115 "2016-02-27T02:18:17Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Yes, that was my point. We have always pronounced it with the L. Why have a silent L in the middle like that? It seems very odd to me. > > “sol-der” Who is this “we” of which you speak, oh minority of darn near just one? At least amongst USAians. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/116 "2016-02-27T03:00:22Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Who is this “we” of which you speak, oh minority of darn near just one? At least amongst USAians. 🙂 I think the “we” is not-America. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/117 "2016-02-27T03:07:14Z")
I am hard of hearing and I hate it when people will over pronounce every word they say to me , this made it hard to read their lips. I have no idea why some people think this is helpful to deaf and hoh people. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/118 "2016-02-27T10:55:08Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Why have a silent L in the middle like that? Like “salmon”? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/119 "2016-02-27T11:38:37Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Like “salmon”? There aren’t many examples where if you take the “silent” L out the word remains the same pronunciation (e.g. usually the L is a clear modifier: calm becomes cam, half becomes haf) but you’ve struck the best with “salmon”. I’ve now looked this up, and it seems “solder” may be from the same origin as “solid” but was originally a silent L, and for reasons that may be related to the word “sodomy” the L began to be pronounced by the British to avoid prurience. Or maybe not. That could be complete bollocky guesswork. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385/120 "2016-02-27T14:25:53Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I think the “we” is not-America. That may well be. I wasn’t trying to be a jerk, although I might have succeeded anyhow. What nationality are you that the local standard pronunciation includes the L? Serious question, not snark. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/words-that-make-you-cringe-when-people-pronounce-the-whole-thing/746385.md?page=7)