# Worker's comp for the Dog Slaughterer-maybe the PTSD will help you grow a pair, asshole. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859 "2011-02-02T04:00:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/21 "2011-02-02T17:42:34Z")
> [@Grapefruit](#): > > but some people out there really don’t value animals as living creatures, but just another tool to line their own damn fat cat pockets. like ranchers? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Grapefruit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/73ab20/32.png) [@Grapefruit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grapefruit)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/22 "2011-02-02T17:48:18Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > like ranchers? 😃 Well, yes and no. There is indeed a double standard on which animals are “more okay” to kill. Personally, I’m outraged that they were killed in such an inhumane way. Other people are outraged that dogs were killed. Depends on where you lie on the spectrum. I suspect most people don’t have a beef with ranchers because the end product comes in a tidy package at your local grocery store… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/23 "2011-02-02T17:49:55Z")
> [@Grapefruit](#): > > Well, yes and no. There is indeed a double standard on which animals are “more okay” to kill. “Does it fetch slippers?” ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/24 "2011-02-02T17:50:04Z")
> [@Grapefruit](#): > > I suspect most people don’t have a beef with ranchers because… I see what you did there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/25 "2011-02-02T18:00:30Z")
Considering the millions of dogs that are put down in animal shelters every year, it would seem almost . . .hypocritical. . .of me to get upset that 100 dogs were killed. Like I am indulging in recreational outrage because I am forced to think about it, when many more dogs are killed in my home town every year without me giving it a second thought. I am pretty appalled at the method, however. I just can’t believe they couldn’t find a vet willing to do this humanely, and wonder instead if they just thought 100 bullets was cheaper. Or, honestly, that they couldn’t find someone who could shoot 100 dogs humanely. We have whole industries based on killing animals and _knife work_ was the best they could come up with? ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Cowboy\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/26 "2011-02-02T18:00:50Z")
There were similar allegations of cruelty against [a dog sledding operation in Snowmass, Co.](http://aspenpost.net/2008/09/03/stop-the-dog-torture-krabloonik/) They had hundreds of dogs and were shooting them in the head and tossing them in a pit when they were no longer useful, no attempt to find a shelter or home. I don’t like it, but I can understand how working dogs in a traditional Alaskan or Canadian community could be treated this way. But there is no reason dogs working purely for tourists should be treated this way. Unfortunately it seems like this business in Snowmass is still operating in largely the same manner. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same story is true for this outfit. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/27 "2011-02-02T18:01:40Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > how is killing an animal that is fleeing cruel? > > it’s not like once they run free, they cease to be owned by the owner. The fleeing has nothing to do with it. The entire methods of “euthanasia” implemented by him were cruel. There are laws that define humane euthanasia, I’m pretty sure that half-assed shooting and stabbing are not acceptable methods. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/28 "2011-02-02T18:04:50Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > The fleeing has nothing to do with it. The entire methods of “euthanasia” implemented by him were cruel. There are laws that define humane euthanasia, I’m pretty sure that half-assed shooting and stabbing are not acceptable methods. there’s no requirement that you euthanize your chattel. the requirement is that you’re not cruel about it. shooting a fleeing animal is not cruel. the propriety of shooting a fleeing animal is the only thing that i opined on. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/29 "2011-02-02T19:11:48Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > yeup. > > unfortunately some posters don’t rely on common sense when bleating on about what is or isn’t cruel. No. Cats and dogs aren’t game regardless of the direction in which they’re running when shot. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/30 "2011-02-02T19:14:13Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > No. Cats and dogs aren’t game regardless of the direction in which they’re running when shot. Didn’t say they were game. Just that shooting an animal while it is in motion is not cruel. Even if that motion is away from you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/31 "2011-02-02T19:22:32Z")
No, you agreed that it’s hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/32 "2011-02-02T19:23:23Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > Destroying chattel that you own isn’t illegal, nor should it be. Well, there’s chattel and then there’s chattel. Executing a human being isn’t illegal either, except where it is. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/33 "2011-02-02T19:25:03Z")
Well, animals _shouldn’t be_ chattel. It was wrong [when people were chattel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade), it was wrong when people were [shot and hurled into pits](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust), but it was [legal at the time](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wansee_Conference). Just because it’s currently _legal_ to treat animals this way doesn’t make it _right_. What rights should they have? To vote? How about we consult our own great documents. The right to life, among other rights, is _inalienable_…at least humans have said so [when it applies to themselves](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence). [Inalienable rights](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unalienable) are considered to be self-evident and universal. They are not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government. These rights were at first not recognized at all. Then they were considered to be inalienable…only to white male humans. Then eventually to all male humans. Then to female humans too. The trend is to extend this principle. The golden rule should guide us in extending this principle even further. The reason people get more upset about dogs than about other animals stems from the special relationship we have with dogs. For perhaps a hundred thousand years we have communicated with them, we have lived with them, and we recognize on some level we have admitted them into our family, if only at a junior status. We know that the dogs trust us, and we feel ashamed to see anyone betray that trust. Is it hypocrisy not to feel as strongly about other animals? I submit that it doesn’t matter – the question itself is a distraction. If we recognize that killing dogs is wrong – and most people seem to feel this way – the solution to our unresolved or conflicted feelings about _other_ animals is not to reverse ourselves, ignore our compassion, and start killing dogs; nor is it to draw that bright line, the line that separates those we can kill in good conscience fro those we can NOT kill in good conscience, again, in a different place; but to recognize that the right to life itself is inalienable, even when the subject under discussion speaks a different language, or no language we recognize, or does not speak at all. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/34 "2011-02-02T19:29:55Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > If we recognize that killing dogs is wrong – and most people seem to feel this way you sure about that? [some animal lovers feel that dogs are better off dead than living where their minimal needs aren’t being met.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13369332&postcount=12) and then you also have the whole euthanizing your pet thing. besides, not treating animals like chattel, and giving them status as legal beings, is fucking retarded. having animal abuse laws is a good thng, but they can’t ever be anything but chattel. (let’s not talk about police dogs, please. the thread will get sidetracked) ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/35 "2011-02-02T19:33:54Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > No, you agreed that it’s hunting. no, I agreed that “killing an animal that is fleeing” was also called “hunting”. That wasn’t the entire corpus of evidence as to why shooting an animal while it is running away from you is not cruel treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/36 "2011-02-02T19:35:58Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Well, there’s chattel and then there’s chattel. not really. > [@](#): > > Executing a human being isn’t illegal either, except where it is. not applicable. sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/37 "2011-02-02T19:36:39Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > you sure about that? > > [some animal lovers feel that dogs are better off dead than living where their minimal needs aren’t being met.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13369332&postcount=12) > and then you also have the whole euthanizing your pet thing. Talk about stupid arguments to make. Your reply to a post which mentions the Nazis killing people is to say “some people feel killing dogs is acceptable”? OF COURSE _some people_ feel that way. _Some people_ were Nazis. Are you contending that “most people” regard the Nazi war crimes as acceptable behavior? Because that’s pretty much what your rebuttal amounts to. Sure, _some people_ advocate killing dogs, but that’s not _most people_. And after the Terry Schiavo case, it’s silly to say euthanizing a pet means we don’t/can’t/won’t grant them any kind of status. Silly or desperate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/38 "2011-02-02T19:38:46Z")
Well, you can agree it’s the same as hunting all you want, you’ll still be wrong. It most certainly is not the same as hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/39 "2011-02-02T19:40:30Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Talk about stupid arguments to make. Your reply to a poat which mentions the Nazis killing people is to say “some people feel killing dogs is acceptable”? OF COURSE _some people_ feel that way. _Some people_ were Nazis. Are you contending that “most people” regard the Nazi war crimes as acceptable behavior? Because that’s pretty much what your rebuttal amounts to. > > Sure, _some people_ advocate killing dogs, but that’s not _most people_. Lighten up, francis. That part was written in jest. (and I don’t really get where the Nazis are coming in, either) But, regardless, many people don’t have any moral problems with killing dogs. They’re eaten as food, routinely euthanized en masse because we don’t have the economic means to care for them all and they would become pests if left feral, killed when they’re in the terminal stages of their lives, etc. > [@](#): > > And after the Terry Schiavo case, it’s silly to say euthanizing a pet means we don’t/can’t/won’t grant them any kind of status. Silly or desperate. I have no fucking idea what Terri Schiavo has to do with the legal status of animals. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859/40 "2011-02-02T19:41:49Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Well, you can agree it’s the same as hunting all you want, you’ll still be wrong. It most certainly is not the same as hunting. And it’s not cruel, either. As the practice of hunting demonstrates. Get the point? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/workers-comp-for-the-dog-slaughterer-maybe-the-ptsd-will-help-you-grow-a-pair-asshole/569859.md?page=3)