# World Cup 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 7, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615 "2018-06-07T18:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1302 "2018-07-03T20:57:40Z")
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes… The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, England win on penalty kicks… mass hysteria! ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1303 "2018-07-03T20:58:18Z")
Well that was unexpected. We deserved it over the 90, we tried to play our own, patient game but it’s a hard, hard way to go out for either team. Nice to be on the right end of it for once. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1304 "2018-07-03T21:08:32Z")
The line from the movie Flushed Away (2006): “That’s impossible!” “England’s winning! Anything’s possible!” ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1305 "2018-07-03T21:08:39Z")
OK, no-one’s done it yet so… Carlos Valderama, Rene Higuita, Shakira, Pablo Escobar…can you hear me…Pablo Escobar, your boys took one hell of a beating! ---
**Author:** ![dominic65](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@dominic65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dominic65)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1306 "2018-07-03T21:20:20Z")
Not sure about the Pablo Escobar reference, considering. Let’s say Gabriel Garcia Marquez took a hell of a beating, which in my opinion he thoroughly deserves. [Oh wait, I’m thinking of the footballer Andres Escobar, rather than the drug lord. Sorry, **Novelty Bobble**.] Also, sorry to be “that guy”, but the “British” media includes Welsh, Scottish, and indeed Northern Irish observers, some of whom may not be massive supporters of the England team. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1307 "2018-07-03T21:23:11Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! > > Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes… > > The dead rising from the grave! > > Human sacrifice, England win on penalty kicks… mass hysteria! “The earth splits and the entrails of a goat were found tied in square knots. The face of the sun blackens and the skies have rained down soggy potato chips.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1308 "2018-07-03T21:24:27Z")
> [@dominic65](#): > > Also, sorry to be “that guy”, but the “British” media includes Welsh, Scottish, and indeed Northern Irish observers, some of whom may not be massive supporters of the England team. Didn’t stop them from having “great” narratives. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1309 "2018-07-03T21:28:26Z")
> **[Gold Cup ref admits errors](https://www.espn.com/soccer/concacaf-gold-cup/story/2535944/gold-cup-ref-mexico-v-panama-admits-errors-concacaf)** > > The president of CONCACAF said on Saturday that referee Mark Geiger acknowledged making mistakes during the contentious Gold Cup semifinal. Geiger should have never gotten a high profile gig after 2015. ---
**Author:** ![dominic65](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@dominic65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dominic65)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1310 "2018-07-03T21:48:11Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Didn’t stop them from having “great” narratives. :rolleyes: Whatever your comment about the British media’s “narrative” meant, I was not addressing it. I was referring to **Velocity** ’s apparent treatment of the terms “English” and “British” as equivalent, when they are not. To Americans, this seems like nitpicking. And OK, maybe it is, a bit. But you can be sure that a lot of British people, from Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland either didn’t care whether England won or outright wanted them to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1311 "2018-07-03T21:51:15Z")
ENG-GER-LUND! In all seriousness I feel this inexperienced team is on a bit of a learning curve. They should’ve found a way to put the game to bed in the ninety. ---
**Author:** ![Busy\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@Busy\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Busy_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1312 "2018-07-03T21:56:24Z")
> [@dominic65](#): > > Whatever your comment about the British media’s “narrative” meant, I was not addressing it. I was referring to **Velocity** ’s apparent treatment of the terms “English” and “British” as equivalent, when they are not. To Americans, this seems like nitpicking. And OK, maybe it is, a bit. But you can be sure that a lot of British people, from Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland either didn’t care whether England won or outright wanted them to lose. I’m normally not arsed about England, but seeing the rampant shithousery Columbia brought to that game I wanted England to bury them. Suspect a lot of neutrals will feel the same. Tough gig for the ref but at this level you need someone with more authority - totally lost at times, and favoured England (IMHO) as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1313 "2018-07-03T22:10:41Z")
> [@Busy\_Scissors](#): > > I’m normally not arsed about England, but seeing the rampant shithousery Columbia brought to that game I wanted England to bury them. Suspect a lot of neutrals will feel the same. I’m not a natural England supporter, but there’s lots to like about Southgate’s way of dealing with things. The team is young, and relatively free of John Terry-esque turbo-cunts, so I’m happy for them. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1314 "2018-07-03T22:20:08Z")
I also think Southgate has handled a young team quite well, and his ‘own the moment’ mantra I think has really worked. All the penalties were excellent strikes - ironically, except possibly the last one. The one England miss was a fine save. The first Columbia miss was so close; another quarter of an inch to the left and it bounces in, another inch to the left and Pickford probably saves it. And the final Columbia miss was a brilliant save. Glad to see England through. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1315 "2018-07-03T22:22:06Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > The team is young, and relatively free of John Terry-esque turbo-cunts now _that_ is swearing, Short, pithy and absolutely perfect for the man in question. He really is a turbo-cunt, whatever it may be, he is it. And the wider point is true as well. They are far from the the finished article but they are certainly growing in maturity and though this may be a tournament too soon for them I really hope the FA keep faith with Gareth Southgate for the long term. They may go out but at least they are trying to play the game in a way that entertains me and doesn’t have me throwing things at the telly. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1316 "2018-07-04T03:57:54Z")
Did the referee allow too many subs for England in extra time or is this just another conspiracy theory. Tweet in Spanish. [https://mobile.twitter.com/BVB\_Network/status/1014355168098258944](https://mobile.twitter.com/BVB_Network/status/1014355168098258944) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1317 "2018-07-04T04:15:03Z")
4 subs total for each team. I think England had only used two in regular time, so they can use their third regular one plus the extra one. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1318 "2018-07-04T04:47:13Z")
England v France final, why I want England to win. 1. I am getting sick and tired of seeing octogenarians on TV reminiscing about winning in 1966. 2. This France side is awesome, but I think regular final failure keeps them sharp. Griezmann only lets failure guide him to greater triumphs. 3. After all the talk of World Wars and World Cups, lets have World Cups and Waterloo! 4)??? 4. Profit??? > [@Riemann](#): > > 4 subs total for each team. I think England had only used two in regular time, so they can use their third regular one plus the extra one. Yeah, its a bit unclear if its a maximum of four or a fourth in ET. BTW, is the Wimbledon final clashing with the WC Final? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1319 "2018-07-04T06:02:04Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Did the referee allow too many subs for England in extra time or is this just another conspiracy theory. Tweet in Spanish. > > [x.com](https://mobile.twitter.com/BVB_Network/status/1014355168098258944) > [@Law III: Players](#): > > … > > The competition rules must state > > how many substitutes may be named, from three to a maximum of twelve. > > whether one additional substitute may be used when a match goes into extra time (whether or not the team has already used the full number of permitted substitutes) … So the whiners are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1320 "2018-07-04T08:42:05Z")
Did anyone else think the shot saved by Pickford that led to Colombia’s equalising corner may have been going wide anyway? There was such pandemonium after it that I don’t think they ever showed a replay? Not that I blame Pickford if that was the case, of course. Was a bit of a lucky goal off the corner anyway - had Trippier managed to raise his feet off the ground, he probably would have cleared it. > [@AK84](#): > > I think Beckham’s mainstream popularity has led people to forget just how good he was. Scholes was good at long passes from the center but he was an attacking midfielder and a deep lying forward. Beckhams crosses from the wing were devastating for defences. Plus Beckham was excellent at timing accurate crosses to the feet of the CF on the shoulder of the last defender, his shot was made juuuuust before the CF went forward, nullifying the offside trap. He forced Full Backs to play forward and CB to stay with Strikers. I absolutely agree with you about Beckham and I don’t underrate him, myself. He carried England to more than one World Cup/Euro finals (remember that last-minute free-kick against Greece in 2001, for example?). I just wanted to point out the Scholes was also a pass master. I can’t speak to the verifiability of the quotes [here](https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/the-best-things-ever-said-about-paul-scholes), but they give a flavour of how he was thought of by his peers. > [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > John Terry-esque turbo-cunts Just quoting this again because I love it so much. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1321 "2018-07-04T09:40:39Z")
My take: The ref did a terrible job, he never saw an English flop he didn’t like. The theatre is alive and well in English football; Neymar has got nothing on those masters of the dive. The english side is completely harmless outside set pieces. PK practice works, good job on that. Columbia needs to work on their theatrics and get their temper under control, they lost on professionalism. I don’t think the Swedes will have much trouble. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615.md?page=67)